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Cathy and Jake are experts on how AI can go wrong for individuals or society, because that's what they do for a living. In this podcast they'll explore all things AI-related, while drinking wine and hanging out with their friends. The intended audience is everyone, but with a special shout-out to the young, because they have been and continue to be absolutely screwed by AI.
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The Consensual Non-consent Sex Cult Episode (with Sherry Wong and Tom Adams)
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The Consensual Non-consent Sex Cult Episode (with Sherry Wong and Tom Adams)
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The Consensual Non-consent Sex Cult Episode (with Sherry Wong and Tom Adams)
40 min
The Consensual Non-consent Sex Cult Episode (with Sherry Wong and Tom Adams)
The Biden/Trump/Bolsonaro AI Policy Episode (with Clara Langevin)
32 min
The Biden/Trump/Bolsonaro AI Policy Episode (with Clara Langevin)
How Schools Procure AI Tools (with J.B. Branch)
35 min
How Schools Procure AI Tools (with J.B. Branch) https://fas.org/publication/student-safety-ai-procurement-guardrails/ https://www.yalejreg.com/nc/who-investigates-ais-cyber-attacks/
Government AI Procurement is a Problem (with Jae Kim and Aniket Kesari)
35 min
Government AI Procurement is a Problem (with Jae Kim and Aniket Kesari)
AI Purity Culture in NYC (with Kiri Soares and David Adams)
38 min
AI Purity Culture in NYC (with Kiri Soares and David Adams)
AI and the End of the World (or the End of the Internet)
34 min
AI and the End of the World (or the End of the Internet) https://metr.org/blog/2026-08-26-openai-hugging-face-incident-investigation/#core-takeaways-about-this-incident
Big Tech in Public Schools (with Natasha Singer)
35 min
Big Tech in Public Schools (with Natasha Singer) https://wwnorton.com/books/9780393881943
From Mathematics to AI Safety (with Jacob Tsimerman)
40 min
From Mathematics to AI Safety (with Jacob Tsimerman)
Liberal Democracy in the AI Era (with Daron Acemoglu)
37 min
Liberal Democracy in the AI Era (with Daron Acemoglu) https://shapingwork.mit.edu/what-happened-to-liberal-democracy/
The Connecticut AI Law (with Senator James Maroney)
36 min
The Connecticut AI Law (with Senator James Maroney) Senate Bill 5
Artists are Canaries in the AI Coal Mine
32 min
Artist loses copyright case over AI version of her underwater dog photo Belfast photo gallery defends show featuring AI images AI in music is the wild west
Casino Journalism (with Jonathan Reiss)
35 min
Casino Journalism (with Jonathan Reiss) We Can Act to Prevent Casino Journalism The Media Needs to Dig Deeper Into the Value Claims ofPrediction Markets Media and Democracy Project
What do young people think about AI? (with Carly Adams)
37 min
What do young people think about AI? (with Carly Adams)
Hyping AI (with Tom Adams)
33 min
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/25/technology/openai-ipo-artificial-intelligence.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/30/opinion/ai-agents-steal-jobs-employment.html https://www.theatlantic.com/philosophy/2026/06/no-artificial-intelligence-is-not-conscious/687378/?gift=xp2_eiR3IsZG0CjAiYMHBxetDxEeevnr5rcqE8s46qk https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2026/07/01/science/spudcells-synthetic-cell.html
Erdos's Conjecture Was Just the Beginning (With Daniel Litt)
40 min
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ai-just-solved-an-80-year-old-erdos-problem-and-mathematicians-are-amazed/ https://cdn.openai.com/pdf/74c24085-19b0-4534-9c90-465b8e29ad73/unit-distance-remarks.pdf
"Good Enough" AI Governance for Criminal Defense Lawyers (with D'Adre Cunningham and Sarah Hudson)?
36 min
"Good Enough" AI Governance for Criminal Defense Lawyers (with D'Adre Cunningham and Sarah Hudson)?
GIGO (with D'Adre Cunningham and Sarah Hudson)
35 min
GIGO (with D'Adre Cunningham and Sarah Hudson)
Pre AI IPO (with Tom Adams)
36 min
Pre AI IPO (with Tom Adams) https://www.npr.org/2026/06/01/nx-s1-5843132/openai-florida-lawsuit-safety-chatgpt
The Audit Revolution is Nigh (with Karrie Karahalios)
34 min
The Audit Revolution is Nigh (with Karrie Karahalios)
How Utah is Taking AI Seriously (with Zach Boyd)
37 min
How Utah is Taking AI Seriously (with Zach Boyd)
After the AI Crash (with Asad Ramzanali)
35 min
After the AI Crash (with Asad Ramzanali) https://cdn.vanderbilt.edu/vu-URL/wp-content/uploads/sites/412/2026/03/23144242/After-the-AI-Crash.pdf
We're The Egg (with Laura Mac)
36 min
We're The Egg (with Laura Mac) https://www.techpolicy.press/there-are-no-machines-of-loving-grace-without-people/
Aint nobody here 'cept us chickens
35 min
Aint nobody here 'cept us chickens https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/29/us/ai-chatbots-biological-weapons.html https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/russells-teapot https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/30/opinion/ai-crimes-law.html
The Rich People Episode (with Tom Adams)
35 min
The Rich People Episode (with Tom Adams) What I Learned About Billionaires The Palantir Manifesto Sullivan and Cromwell AI Hallucinations Insurance Fraud in Bear Suits
The psychedelic computer brain (with Andy Smart)
34 min
The psychedelic computer brain (with Andy Smart) Authors - s - Andrew Smart - OR Books https://share.google/6NFTHpl192L3ZJODD
Social media is the new tobacco (with Tom Adams)
34 min
New Mexico v. Mete et al: Initial Complaint againstdefendants https://nmag.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-12-05-NM-v.-Meta-et-al.-COMPLAINT-REDACTED.pdf New Mexico Attorney Generalstatement on landmark verdict https://nmdoj.gov/press-release/new-mexico-department-of-justice-wins-landmark-verdict-against-meta/ KGMv. Meta, Google et al (California): Court denies defendants’motion for summary judgment https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/social-media-lawsuits-kgm-motion-denied.pdf discussion of the verdict atTheConversation https://theconversation.com/meta-and-google-just-lost-a-landmark-social-media-addiction-case-a-tech-law-expert-explains-the-fallout-278409
We're not moving to Mars (with Adam Becker)
34 min
https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/adam-becker/more-everything-forever/9781541619593/?
AI in Philanthropy (with Serife Wong and Katy Knight)
34 min
AI in Philanthropy (with Serife Wong and Katy Knight)
Thinking about Writing in the age of AI (with John Warner)
37 min
Thinking about Writing in the age of AI (with John Warner) More Than Words: https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/john-warner/more-than-words/9781541605503/?lens=basic-books Why They Can't Write: https://www.press.jhu.edu/books/title/12025/why-they-cant-write?srsltid=AfmBOop9T4I-4vnY-3KmGQ9uioku2lnubi9iQ9LzewNfJrJ94PIQkBYe | Newsletter: biblioracle.substack.com
The Future of Work (with Kevin Frazier)
32 min
The Future of Work (with Kevin Frazier) https://law.utexas.edu/faculty/kevin-frazier/
The AI Bubble Episode (with Tom Adams)
34 min
The AI Bubble Episode (with Tom Adams) https://www.brookings.edu/articles/whoever-leads-in-artificial-intelligence-in-2030-will-rule-the-world-until-2100/ https://www.wheresyoured.at
All Buzzwords Mean Surveillance (with Serife Wong)
33 min
All Buzzwords Means Surveillance (with Serife Wong) https://vimeo.com/1116289621
The Braverman Episode (with Nicole Aschoff)
32 min
The Braverman Episode (with Nicole Aschoff) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_and_Monopoly_Capital
We're all AI Skeptics Now (Except our AI Overlords)
32 min
We're all AI Skeptics Now (Except our AI Overlords)
Wait, can Trump actually make AI regulation illegal? (with Tom Adams)
35 min
Wait, can Trump actually make AI regulation illegal? (with Tom Adams)
Does anybody actually care about AI Ethics? (with Aaron Abrams)
30 min
Does anybody actually care about AI Ethics? (with Aaron Abrams)
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