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Sean Shapiro and Robert Tiffin

Algorithmically Incorrect Hockey

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About the show

Hosted by hockey writers Sean Shapiro and Robert Tiffin, Algorithmically Incorrect Hockey is a weekly show about the people and parts of hockey that fascinate us, whether they please the algorithm or not. Also featuring weekly guests from around the hockey world, AI Hockey is a show created out of passion for good storytelling and love of the game.

Newest episodes

Episode 32 - Hometown Remixes and Tele-vision Deception, Plano Politics, and 3v3 Olympic Hockey

57 min

Sean chatted with the president of the IIHF. Robert quotes a newspaper article. The guys open the show by talking about hair, but thankfullly move into an etymology digression soon afterwards. Finally, we get into hockey, starting with the new Hometown Remix jerseys (11:45), but then pivoting to discuss the digital changes to center ice logos on some tele-vision broadcasts. Things get real from there. Next (31:50), the guys touch on Dallas Stars owner Tom Gaglardi's comments following the failure of Proposition A to pass in Plano elections, which proposed taxes that would help to fund the Stars' proposed arena up in that neck of the woods. Finally (40:32), Sean enlightens us all about the possibility of 3-on-3 hockey in the Olympics, and the show wraps up with some trivia about the top-ten roller hockey and inline hockey teams in the world.

Episode 31 - Mathieu Schneider, Agents and Owners, and Connor Hellebuyck's New (Jersey) Debut

1 hr 0 min

Robert just spent a day inside the Connor Hellebuyck frenzy. Sean remains a placid goalie in Detroit. After some initial discussions about Connor Hellebuyck and Rémi Poirier, the guys are joined (14:35) by former NHLer and NHLPA executive Mathieu Schneider, who is currently leading a new player agency. Schneider discusses what his own maturation process was like as a player, what it was like to be a puck-moving defenseman in the early '90s, how his own agent Mike Gillis helped him get through tough times, and how he's trying to pass those same lessons along. The guys wrap (53:01) with a discussion about what the current generation of players might be like after they retire, and why Sean is flying to Montreal himself, soon.

Episode 30 - Scoops, North American Catchup, and Swedish Hockey Changeover

1 hr 4 min

Sean is back from Sweden. Robert saw a hat trick. The guys get into everything from Sweden's version of the Jets and Giants to the fact that Marco Sturm might be a really good coach. They also survey the Dylan Larkin/Kirill Marchenko/Connor Hellebuyck drama before wrapping with an honest discussion about the relative importance of big scoops in journalism.

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Episode 32 - Hometown Remixes and Tele-vision Deception, Plano Politics, and 3v3 Olympic Hockey

57 min

Sean chatted with the president of the IIHF. Robert quotes a newspaper article. The guys open the show by talking about hair, but thankfullly move into an etymology digression soon afterwards. Finally, we get into hockey, starting with the new Hometown Remix jerseys (11:45), but then pivoting to discuss the digital changes to center ice logos on some tele-vision broadcasts. Things get real from there. Next (31:50), the guys touch on Dallas Stars owner Tom Gaglardi's comments following the failure of Proposition A to pass in Plano elections, which proposed taxes that would help to fund the Stars' proposed arena up in that neck of the woods. Finally (40:32), Sean enlightens us all about the possibility of 3-on-3 hockey in the Olympics, and the show wraps up with some trivia about the top-ten roller hockey and inline hockey teams in the world.

Episode 31 - Mathieu Schneider, Agents and Owners, and Connor Hellebuyck's New (Jersey) Debut

1 hr 0 min

Robert just spent a day inside the Connor Hellebuyck frenzy. Sean remains a placid goalie in Detroit. After some initial discussions about Connor Hellebuyck and Rémi Poirier, the guys are joined (14:35) by former NHLer and NHLPA executive Mathieu Schneider, who is currently leading a new player agency. Schneider discusses what his own maturation process was like as a player, what it was like to be a puck-moving defenseman in the early '90s, how his own agent Mike Gillis helped him get through tough times, and how he's trying to pass those same lessons along. The guys wrap (53:01) with a discussion about what the current generation of players might be like after they retire, and why Sean is flying to Montreal himself, soon.

Episode 30 - Scoops, North American Catchup, and Swedish Hockey Changeover

1 hr 4 min

Sean is back from Sweden. Robert saw a hat trick. The guys get into everything from Sweden's version of the Jets and Giants to the fact that Marco Sturm might be a really good coach. They also survey the Dylan Larkin/Kirill Marchenko/Connor Hellebuyck drama before wrapping with an honest discussion about the relative importance of big scoops in journalism.

Episode 29 - Hannes Andersson, Bandy, and the Aging of RVH

40 min

Sean is in Sweden and full of coffee. Robert is in Dallas, where Roope Hintz and Nathan MacKinnon just got done punching each other. Today's show was recorded Wednesday morning on account of Earth is round and Time Zones. Sean begins (2:31) by educating us all about the sport of Bandy, which is real (and really cold), and also a sport Jere Lehtinen grew up playing. Sean then sits down in Sweden with Hannes Andersson (14:34), CEO of Elite Prospects. Hannes talks about his own journey with the company, the evolution of "the IMDB of Hockey," and how he has to marry sentimentality with good business sense. The show wraps up (27:31) with the guys discussing Sean's upcoming international hockey debut, as well as Igor Shesterkin's season-ending injury, and how much we still have to learn about the long-term effects of the demands of modern goaltending.

Episode 28 - Dylan Larkin's Return, Judging Jack Eichel, and Esa Lindell's Bet

1 hr 8 min

Sean is trying to get out of jury duty, and Robert is still hung up on Finnish hockey. The first half of today's show (7:15) starts off with Dylan Larkin and the Red Wings, because what doesn't, these days? The guys discuss whether Larking has Totally Redeemed Himself or not, and what a trade could even look like at this point. The second half (37:20) is a survey of the Western Conference. Robert discusses San Jose without Macklin Celebrini, Dallas with Miro Heiskanen's offense, and both guys consider who and what Jack Eichel is, nowadays (other than the former star of Hot for Hockey [RIP]).

Episode 27 - Simon Edvinsson's Plane Ride, Steve Yzerman's Undoing, and NHL Guardians Project 2.0?

1 hr 0 min

Robert is in a hockey rink, and you won't be able to guess the moment when his wifi drops. Sean carries the show effortlessly. Simon Edvinsson is practicing in Sweden, and the guys struggle to understand how that is a good thing for Detroit. They also touch on Opening Night in the NHL, some roster crunch news (and new contracts) out of Dallas, and Sean's honest assessment of why Steve Yzerman's tenure in Detroit went so differently than his time in Tampa Bay. Also, the NHL is Doing Something Popular again, and it reminds us quite a bit of Another Thing they did many years ago.

Episode 25 - Mitch Brown on Scouting Mythbusting, How Rankings Get Built, and How Players Really Adjust to North American Hockey

31 min

Robert was in Detroit this morning, but now he is in Dallas, where one GM is speaking again. Sean is still in Detroit, and he's also en route to where an interim GM is speaking. Everyone is speaking these days. After some preamble, Sean sits down (4:53) with Mitch Brown, Director of Scouting and Pro Content for Elite Prospects. Mitch explains (among many other things) how scouts build their rankings, what they're watching for and how they prioritize whom they scout, why adjusting to North American ice size is far less of an issue than it's often made out to be, and why he leaves pizza dough out on his counter for hours.

Bonus Episode - Sean and Robert Are Live from Detroit

45 min

Sean and Robert are both in Detroit for the prospect tournament, so they decided to sit down for a Monday bonus episode and discuss what they've seen, heard, and eaten after two days of NHL-adjacent hockey. We open by discussing why Scott White's name has been mentioned in relation to the Detroit GM search, and why he also loves what he does in Dallas. From there, we discuss everything from what prospect tournaments mean now vs. what they did in Traverse City, and why a shorter preseason still allows time for some team-bonding trips. Come for the Joe Sakic "news," stay for the Oreos-in-coffee revelation.

Episode 24 - Prospect Tourney Prep, Inside Baseball, and Part Time Work

58 min

Sean and Robert are gearing up for the four-team prospect tournament in Detroit this weekend, which means a lot of Talking Shop. Today's episode begins with what the guys are anticipating about the return of actual hockey, then it goes off into the weeds of NHL media meals, Sean's history as a movie theatre employee/spy, and the only job Robert has ever been fired from (so far). Don't forget to subscribe to the show so you can get this weekend's live bonus episode as soon as it drops!

Episode 23 - Victory+ Postmortem, Further David Carle Analysis, and Yelling at Clouds

1 hr 3 min

Sean and Robert are feeling old today. They yell about the Cloud, or at least about how the Cloud seems to work sometimes. After some producer notes, the show starts (7:10) with a clip and some analysis from Bonus Episode with David Carle, and what the guys' takeaways were from the very good conversation. The back half of the show (30:40) is all about how the Stars and five other NHL teams are moving to Amazon Prime for local broadcasts. The guys discuss what we know about how Victory+ collapsed, who's to blame, and what we still don't know about the ad-supported model following the death of premium RSN revenue.

Bonus Episode - David Carle on Why He Loves Denver, Navigating the New World of NCAA Hockey, and Why He Takes NHL Calls

30 min

Sean and Robert chat with David Carle, whom you might know as the head coach at the University of Denver, a three-time national champion, or the two-time gold medal-winning coach of the Team USA World Juniors team. He is all of those things. Today's bonus episode is wide-ranging conversation with Carle about why he'd rather talk about fishing in Alaska, how he works with his assistant coaches, why he still takes calls from NHL teams despite being happy at Denver, how he protects his college hockey team's culture in the age of NIL and revenue sharing, and the moment he knew Zeev Buium was going to be a special player.

Episode 22 - Andrew Brewer, Phantom Players, and AI Optimization

59 min

Sean is back from vacation with a brand-new lightsaber. Robert is still talking about kindergarten. The guys are joined by Andrew Brewer (10:20), the new GM and Chief of Staff for the University of Michigan Men's Ice Hockey Team, to discuss everything from Disney theme parks to using AI properly. Brewer also talks about the impact of NIL money on college hockey, how he went from the NHL to NCAA, and what made coaching the 2016 World Cup of Hockey such a unique experience. Finally (49:01), the guys review what's still left to do this summer, and Robert gets roped into a Fast & Furious marathon in Detroit next month. Be careful what you wish for.

Episode 21 - Stadiums and Stories

1 hr 5 min

Sean and Robert are here to regale you with some tales from days of yore. But first (6:15), a discussion about new buildings in Calgary and Dallas, what Sean and Robert would love to see in the next wave of NHL arenas, and what makes those Montreal hot dogs so ridiculously delicious. After that, it's story time with Sean and Robert (27:29). So sit back and listen to how many different strangers Sean has been in a car with, what it's like to float in the water and watch a boat captain staring at you with no intention of rescue in his heart.

Episode 20 - Gavin Spittle, Meetup Debrief, and NHL Search Firms

59 min

Robert and Sean are in the same place at the same time, and so is special guest Gavin Spittle! The guys begin the show (1:45) by talking about the Spits and Suds meetup from Tuesday night. Sean signed a lot of books, and everyone shook a lot of hands. Gavin then goes into how he started a podcast and grew it into what it's become today. The guys then discuss (30:33) how the scouting world operates over the course of an NHL season, and how the Hlinka-Gretzky Cup kicks it all off. Before wrapping up (43:31), we also get into the various NHL teams that use independent search firms to recruit talent, what they can and can't do, and how exactly Seattle has wound up in the place they're at.

Episode 19 - Travel Agency, More Columbus Cuts, and Assigning Your Summer Reading

1 hr 4 min

Sean is getting ready to fly all over the place. Robert is in Texas, waiting. First (4:55), we go through some basic travel tips that you all can enjoy, including Sean's Moto GP-inspired philosophy. Next (25:23), the guys discuss Columbus's decision to axe another media member in Jeff Svoboda, and that leads into a longer conversation (39:31) about how profitable sports ownership is, and why the Dodgers (or the Yankees, or the Rangers) are not the problem other owners would like you to think they are. We wrap things up (51:30) by going through a few recommended books for summer reading, including Sprawlball, Home Ice, and more.

Episode 18 - Simulcasts, Following the Money, and an Awkward Birthday

57 min

It's Thurday, which is this week's Wednesday. Neither Sean nor Robert has seen Tenet, but that won't stop them from talking about it. After some banter, the guys begain (7:15) by discussing Dylan Larkin's birthday, which segues into a discussion about Jim Nill, Detroit's culture, and how it was (or wasn't) built during the Ken Holland/Steve Yzerman era. After that, (20:22) the guys dig into Columbus's decision to get rid of their radio broadcast and simulcast the TV side. It turns out that this is part of a *much* bigger discussion, and you can bet your sweet bippy that Algorithmically Incorrect Hockey is going to spend the next 30 minutes talking about it, including digressions about Sean and Robert's experiences at former employers.

Episode 17 - Wrapping up the Jason Robertson Saga, the Intersection of Sports and Movies, and the Incredible Journey of a Certain Dog

59 min

Sean and Robert have once again scheduled breaking news to happen right before the show. This time, it's Jason Robertson's new contract. First, (4:01) the guys dig into Jason Robertson's one-year deal with Dallas, its implications for his next deal, and what choices Dallas has to make now. In the back half of the program (37:45), Sean talks about a movie you Oughta See, as well as other movies (both new and from 1981). We wrap up with some thoughts about how to watch sports when you already know the outcome, and the near-miraculous journey of a very good dog.

Episode 16 - Ryan Hana, Bye Bye Yzerman, and the Texas Rangers Leave Victory+

57 min

Sean and Robert suddenly have much more to talk about than they'd planned, so they do that. First (5:45), the guys discuss the news that the Texas Rangers have abruptly left Victory+ for a new streaming platform, why the move might have happened when it did, and what it means for teams like the Dallas Stars. Ryan Hana of the Winged Wheel Podcast then joins the show (16:15) to dig into the surprising news of Steve Yzerman's removal/promotion/demotion from his GM/Executive VP role for the Detroit Red Wings. Ryan and the guys discuss why the move happened now, what it means for Dylan Larkin, and what a succession plan might look like in Detroit.

Episode 15 - PWHL Coach Rachel Flanagan, Offer Sheets, UK Hockey, and 84 Games of Revenue

1 hr 15 min

Robert is on the road. Sean is back from the road. The guys start out (4:55) by reviewing the offer sheets that hit lately and how the threat of offer sheets allows players like Mavrik Bourque to get bigger deals. as well as some questions about some Jason Robertson rumors. Rachel Flanagan joins the shows (24:49) to discuss her recent week coaching at the Dallas Stars' development camp, her journey through the coaching ranks, what she's learned about her own coaching craft, and the decision to begin coaching in the pro game to begin with. (Not to mention playing hockey in England!) The show wraps up (1:05:31) with a teaser for August 11 and some discussion about the new 84-game schedule and NHL economics.

Bonus Episode - MSU's Will Morlock on Team USA, Specialized Strength Training, and World Cup Goalkeeping

29 min

In today's bonus episode, Sean and Robert chat with Will Morlock, the Director of Athletic Performance for MSU's men's hockey program. Morlock discusses his work with players like Thatcher Demko and Porter Martone, how strength work is very different for goalies vs. skaters, and how to prescribe workouts that build strength and protect players. The conversation also touches on the difference between strength and power, who shaped his own development as a coach, and some of his own World Cup picks as a former soccer goalkeeper.

Episode 14 - Free Agency Fallout

36 min

Robert is in a dark corner of Frisco. Sean is on top of everything else, as usual. In a compact live show to discuss free agency, the guys open by discussing why the NHL has so many more no-trade clauses than other major sports leagues. Next, the guys go over the Mavrik Bourque trade, Patrick Kane's potential exodus from Detroit, the Jason Robertson and Thomas Harley fallout (or lack thereof), the huge Bowen Byram extension in Chicago, and most importantly of all: whether Jeffrey Viel is the new Tanner Jeannot. Make sure to subscribe to AIH in order to get notified about upcoming bonus episodes!

Bonus Episode - NHLPA Agent Allain Roy on Prepping for the Draft, Contract Negotiations with GMs, and the Dream NHL Client

26 min

Just before the NHL Draft, we're pleased to be joined by Allain Roy, the president and CEO of RSG Hockey and a veteran NHLPA agent--as well as a former goaltender, by the way. Roy chats with Sean in a wide-ranging conversation about working with players in the months (and years!) leading up to the momentous day(s) of the draft, advising young players and their families, how NHL GMs and agents can negotiate like gentlemen, what makes for the perfect client, and much more! As always, make sure you subscribe to the podcast to ensure you get bonus episodes like this one as soon as they're released.

Episode 13 - Cam Robinson, Stephen Meserve, and 1996 Hockey Cards

1 hr 50 min

Sean is reading a book. Robert remembers he has the same book like two hours later. The show opens with a playing card quiz (4:00), and Robert forgets who Patrick Roy is. The guys then discuss Dylan Larkin, Jason Robertson, and what Buffalo might do next. Cam Robinson of Elite Prospects joins the show (30:45) live from Buffalo, where he's prepping for the NHL Draft. Cam discusses why Chicago made the Bowen Byram trade, the lack of energy at the decentralized draft, what San Jose's grand plan might be, and how his son's mock draft is getting national attention. Alex Tuch then gets signed and traded to Washington during the show (47:30), and the guys discuss how the disappearing eight-year deal is a unique asset some teams still hold. Next, Stephen Meserve of 100 Degree Hockey joins the show (53:40) to discuss the proposed NHL expansion to Houston or Austin. Meserve and company then muse about everything from the HEB real estate plan to whether Austin or Houston is the better fit for the NHL, and why. They also discuss an outdoor game at Kyle Field, San Antonio's own hockey history, and why the Henderson Silver Knights should wear Rampage jerseys next February.

Episode 12 - The 2025-26 NHL Season Retrospective

1 hr 14 min

Sean and Robert are forced to do an entire show without shoving all the hard work onto a guest, so they just invoke Stephen Meserve's name about fifty times. They begin with Sandwich Corrections. We get going (13:50) by discussing Chris Johnston's report about the Hurricanes discussing both Logan Stankoven and Jason Robertson during Mikko Rantanen trade talks with Dallas back in 2025. The guys then spend the second half of the show (27:15) talking about how Carolina finally won another Cup championship, how the NHL built on the momentum of Four Nations with a better-than-expected postseason and Olympics, and the upcoming PWHL and NHL drafts. There's also some musing about Mason McTavish and Mikael Granlund (50:38) when it comes to what the Ducks might do, as well as some digging into the evolution of the mobile defenseman/wingpack position in both soccer and hockey.

Bonus Episode - Jason Demers on the Stanley Cup Final and a Christmas Video Curse

47 min

Robert and Sean have recorded a special treat: A bonus episode featuring NHL Network's Jason Demers! Demers and the guys discuss some details the former NHL defenseman has noticed about an entertaining Stanley Cup Final, as well as how he moved from being an NHL player to an NHL media member. Demers also shares some stories from his days playing with Brent Burns and Joe Pavelski, how he went from Dallas to Florida to Arizona, and why he has some concerns about the way the Dylan Larkin saga is unfolding. Finally, Demers answers some questions from the guys about his international career, winning the Spengler Cup, and his days playing in Russia and Finland, as well as the most cursed Christmas video of all time.

Episode 11: Prashanth Iyer, Combine Questions, Dylan Larkin Drama, and Coaching Desperation

1 hr 31 min

Sean gives instructions on making sandwiches. Robert's internet slightly outpaces peanut butter. The guys begin (7:30) by talking about Combine Scuttlebutt and quiz each other with their best draft combine questions. Prashanth Iyer joins the show (29:00) to talk about Dylan Larkin's trade request, Steve Yzerman's seven years in the playoff-less wilderness, and what the Red Wings really need to become a perennial playoff team. Sean and Robert wrap up (1:16:30) by discussing the polar opposites in desperate coaching candidates: Mike Babcock and Joe Pavelski.

Episode 10: Blake Fiddler, All the Presidents/GMs, and Franchise Chronologies

1 hr 17 min

Sean is back in the USA. Robert's internet takes the week off. First, (6:30) Sean provides an update on his Fast & Furious progress. This devolves into a discussion about Star Wars before touching on the Dallas Stars' plans to move to Plano in 2031 (15:30). Seattle Kraken prospect Blake Fiddler joins the show (27:20) to talk about playing for the Edmonton Oil Kings in the WHL, playing for Team USA at the World Championships, and what it was like to grow up playing hockey in Dallas. The show wraps up (51:14) with a discussion about the growing distinction between the respective power of the GM and President roles in places like Colorado and Vancouver.

Episode 9: CHL President Dan MacKenzie, the Continuing Evolution of the Junior Hockey Landscape, and a Kelowna Shuttle Confrontation

1 hr 30 min

Sean is in beautiful Kelowna for the Memorial Cup. Robert is still in Dallas (where the Rangers got no-hit on Monday). We open (1:00) by talking about Sean's adjusted sleep schedule, the crazy playoff tiebreaker possibilities at the Memorial Cup, how to determine how tall hockey players really are, and sports bucket list items. Sean then sits down (42:01) with CHL President Dan MacKenzie to discuss what he learned from his time with the NBA, a year under the new NCAA rules, and how the various junior leagues are working in an era of expanded player choice. The guys wrap up (1:07:10) by discussing the last couple weeks' of conversations with CHL and USHL folks, and how junior hockey (and NCAA hockey) might change in the coming years.

Episode 8 - Glenn Hefferan, the USHL Landscape, the Vegas Way, and the Private Side of Public Relations

1 hr 48 min

Robert remembers the name of the show. Sean grits his teeth while praising the Arsenal Football Club. First, (5:30) the guys talk a bit more about Jason Robertson, Kirill Kaprizov, and how contract comps work in different markets. We then move on (20:31) to the fallout from Vegas and John Tortorella's whoospadoodle. Next, AI Hockey welcomes (37:10) Glenn Hefferan, President and Commissioner of the USHL to talk the Clark Cup Final, his relationship with the commissioners of the CHL, how the USHL develops both players and officials, and what makes a league the right one to be in for players on a college hockey path. Robert and Sean wrap up (1:21:05) by talking about Bruce Cassidy, Kelly McCrimmon, and how a organization's culture shows up in all the different choices it makes.

Episode 7: Kyle Stich, Jason Robertson's Next Contract, and How The Rock Pretzel-Bunned a Film Franchise

2 hr 3 min

Robert finds out about a goat named Skubal. Sean's wifi holds up until a late-episode storm rolls in. The guys open the show by talking about offseason sports viewing (6:30). Sean announces his running project to watch every Fast & Furious movie. Sean and Robert then discuss Jamie Benn's legacy (20:40) and what options Dallas has to treat him and the team right at this point, and then the guys talk about NHL awards voting, and why you're doing it wrong. Kyle Stich of AFP Analytics joins (58:00) to discuss how projecting NHL contracts works, whether Jason Robertson is likely to actually reach arbitration with any team, and how the NHL landscape has shifted (and not shifted) in surprising ways in recent years. The guys wrap up (1:57:00) by throwing out gut feelings about Jason Robertson's eventual contract and LAN cables.

Episode 6: Bruce Boudreau, Troy Bodie, AHL Lessons, and a PWHL Team Launch

2 hr 14 min

Sean drives to the top of a parking garage. Robert gets to hear an Alex Ovechkin story. First (11:20), the one-and-only Bruce Boudreau joins the show to talk about the award named after him, how his AHL career ended, comparing tough playoff goalie decisions, the Russian Machine, and how Boudreau liked to mess with reporters. Sean and Robert then (57:45) discuss the tricky parts of press conferences, dignity and dialogue, as well as the PWHL announcement in Detroit. Finally, (1:30:20) Troy Bodie of the Seattle Kraken and the GM of the Coachella Valley Firebirds joins the show to talk about launching a new AHL team in the desert, playing for Randy Carlyle, why he decided to retire at 30, and some Memorial Cup memories from his days in Kelowna.

Episode 5: Kelly Forbes, Florian Wieser, Independent Hockey Media, and What Justin Abdelkader Did

2 hr 0 min

Sean and Robert kick things off by magnanimously acknowledging that you are allowed to walk up and give them envelopes of cash at any time. Former NHL video coach Kelly Forbes then joins the show (11:45) to talk about his career in Dallas, how the job of a video coach changed after the coach's challenge, what it was like working for seven different Stars head coaches, how he decided to step away from hockey, and why his phone blew up on Tuesday night. Recent winner of the Italian hockey double Florian Wieser then stops by (1:09:15) to talk about his long and successful hockey career in Italy, why the Milan rink drama was overblown to begin with, memories of playing against current and former NHLers, North American vs. European hockey coaches, and whether he wants to be a really shouty coach himself (he does not). Finally, (1:50:35) Sean wraps up the show by putting Robert on the spot, and the guys talk about the tough-but-great decisions independent media members have to make.

Episode 4: Dimitri Filipovic, Nick Ciavarella, Playoff Takeaways, and Personality

2 hr 9 min

Sean and Robert kick the show off by talking about production improvements they can make after last week. Robert's wifi then decides to be funny by abandoning the segment, substantially improving its listenability. They then (6:30) discuss playoff broadcasts and Tom Dundon's "thriftiness" as recently discoverd by the Portland Trailblazers. Dimitri Filipovic of the PDOcast joins (36:30), and the group discusses how Dimitri got so much better at interviewing people than than people currently interviewing him, convincing NHL coaches and GMs to join his analytics conference, why Dallas isn't seen as more of a template for other franchises to model, and his thoughts on a few of the playoff series so far. After a brief interlude in which the guys reflect on how great Dimitri is, they are joined by their second great guest: Nick Ciavarella (1:25:01) of Skateskins and Just Dishin. They talk about the Buffalo Sabres, Nick's video work with the NHL (and others), and how more personality can find its way into the league. Check out Dimitri's Hockey PDOCast Patreon here. You can listen to free episodes of the PDOCast, too. Check out Nick's work at the following spots: Instagram (716Nick) Just Dishin Skateskins

Episode 3: Steve Thompson, Dominic Moore, Switzerland, and Goaltending Development

2 hr 15 min

A beer-league goalie named Sean talks with a USA Hockey goalie expert, and everyone learns something. Robert learns his own hard lessons about audio engineering. After some producer notes from last week's episode (1:00), Sean proposes a crazy play-in rule the NHL should think about (9:30). The guys also reflect on Episode 2 guest Rick Bowness's blunt comments about the Blue Jackets (15:48) after Columbus's final game of the season. Steve Thompson of USA Hockey joins the show (30:20) with some expert insight into goaltending development, why the RVH is misunderstood, how to avoid some common mistakes in developing younger goaltenders, and how crucial goaltending always seems to be whenever USA hockey teams win gold. Sean (1:35:00) takes a moment to touch on the tough spot smaller college hockey programs are in when it comes to recruiting and retaining players in the transfer portal landscape. Finally, (1:40:30) Utah Mammoth analyst and former NHL player Dominic Moore joins the show to talk about playing all 82 games in a season, whom Utah would prefer to face in the first round, how he made the journey from the ice to the broadcast booth, how the Spengler Cup took his career to Switzerland, and one Jaromír Jágr story appropriate enough to share.

Episode 2: Jack Han, Rick Bowness, College Hockey, and Handshakes

2 hr 24 min

Sean is at a loud hockey rink. Robert says "um" a couple times. Jack Han joins (2:00) the show to talk about rink coffee, his new book, how he started writing about hockey, what it's like being an NHL video coach, how limitations and constraints can be key to organic development, and how passing can be like a good handshake. Robert and Sean (54:17) then get into how video and charts are secret best friends, ways in which NHL TV presentation can grow, and a stunning theological dissertation. Sean educates Robert about college hockey (1:22:25), including his take on whether a certain college player will go first overall. Rick Bowness (1:55:00) joins the show to talk about how it's cold in Buffalo, how much gas Columbus has left in the tank, how he adapts his coaching for different players, which video clips he requests for meetings, all the things he still loves about coaching, and some admirable traits of Jamie Benn and Adam Fantilli. Buy Jack Han's Hockey Tactics 2026 here: ⁠https://jhanhky.gumroad.com/l/hockeytactics2026⁠

Episode 1: Elliotte Friedman, Ian Greengross, and Jailbreak Goals

1 hr 50 min

Sean and Robert start the show with a discussion about rules the PWHL has adopted that the NHL might benefit from. Sean advocates for the jailbreak goal while Robert uses the phrase "some our younger viewers" at 23:07 just to show how out of touch he really is. Next (55:00) they're joined by SportsNet's Elliotte Friedman to discuss Jim Nill's recent extension in Dallas, some great Lou Lamoriello stories, whether Elliotte even likes the term "insider," and how you build trust while protecting sources. Finally (1:16:00) we talk with agent Ian Greengross of Greengross Athletic Management Enterprises about how he navigates discussions between teams and clients, how the coaching landscape has changed over his career, and what he's learned as an agent, a lawyer, and a former hockey goaltender.

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