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Flagbridge Designs & Phantom on a Budget

Between Two Phans

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Between Two Phans with Flagbridge (Andrea) and Phantom on a Budget (Lindsey) mostly-unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic conversations about Phantom of the Opera. We'll have interviews, cover history, show reactions, and more!

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Between Two Phans Minisode: Beatrice Penny-Touré Christine Daaé

8 min

In this special Between Two Phans minisode, Andrea takes a closer look at Beatrice Penny-Touré performance as Christine Daaé in the West End production of The Phantom of the Opera. Andrea discusses Beatrice’s pure soprano voice, Christine’s emotional response during “Music of the Night”, her dynamic with Sierra Boggess as Carlotta, and her chemistry with Reese as Raoul. She also explores Beatrice’s expressive acting, her connection with Jordan Donica’s Phantom, and why she would love to see Beatrice in Masquerade. A companion minisode to Episode 12, celebrating Beatrice Penny-Touré interpretation of Christine.

Between Two Phans Ep. 12: Jordan Donica, Beatrice Penny-Touré & Sierra Boggess

51 min

Jordan Donica's Phantom, Sierra Boggess's Carlotta, and a major year for Phantom fans! Andrea and Lindsey return to discuss the London 40th anniversary cast and the upcoming Phantom of the Opera pro-shot. They explore Jordan Donica's powerful and emotionally layered Phantom, Beatrice Penny-Touré Christine, the chemistry between the cast, Reese's interpretation of Raoul, and Sierra Boggess's scene-stealing performance as Carlotta. They also discuss how staging choices evolve between productions, the influence performers have on their characters, international tour updates, anniversary merchandise, the new coffee table book, and predictions for Phantom's future. What makes this such an exciting time for the fandom, and what are they hoping to see next? Join Andrea and Lindsey for another deep dive into all things Phantom. #PhantomOfTheOpera #BetweenTwoPhans #JordanDonica #BeatricePennyTouré #SierraBoggess #Phantom40 #MusicalTheatre #WestEnd #Broadway #PhantomFans

Between Two Phans Ep. 11: Phantom’s 40th Anniversary Gala + The “Brilliant Original” Debate

50 min

The Phantom of the Opera is celebrating 40 years, but the fandom is still debating what makes a production the “Brilliant Original.” In this episode of Between Two Phans, we revisit the 40th anniversary gala, from Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman performing on the iconic boat to the Music of the Night medley and the spectacular Masquerade finale. We also discuss Sarah Brightman's influence on the creation of Phantom, Steve Barton's iconic Raoul, the evolution of costumes and set pieces, and the changes that have shaped the show across different productions. Why are some fans unhappy with the current London production and its upcoming pro-shot? Can a production evolve while still honouring its original creative team? We share our thoughts on preserving Phantom's legacy while celebrating the performers and innovations keeping the show alive. Happy 40th anniversary, Phantom!

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Between Two Phans Minisode: Beatrice Penny-Touré Christine Daaé

8 min

In this special Between Two Phans minisode, Andrea takes a closer look at Beatrice Penny-Touré performance as Christine Daaé in the West End production of The Phantom of the Opera. Andrea discusses Beatrice’s pure soprano voice, Christine’s emotional response during “Music of the Night”, her dynamic with Sierra Boggess as Carlotta, and her chemistry with Reese as Raoul. She also explores Beatrice’s expressive acting, her connection with Jordan Donica’s Phantom, and why she would love to see Beatrice in Masquerade. A companion minisode to Episode 12, celebrating Beatrice Penny-Touré interpretation of Christine.

Between Two Phans Ep. 12: Jordan Donica, Beatrice Penny-Touré & Sierra Boggess

51 min

Jordan Donica's Phantom, Sierra Boggess's Carlotta, and a major year for Phantom fans! Andrea and Lindsey return to discuss the London 40th anniversary cast and the upcoming Phantom of the Opera pro-shot. They explore Jordan Donica's powerful and emotionally layered Phantom, Beatrice Penny-Touré Christine, the chemistry between the cast, Reese's interpretation of Raoul, and Sierra Boggess's scene-stealing performance as Carlotta. They also discuss how staging choices evolve between productions, the influence performers have on their characters, international tour updates, anniversary merchandise, the new coffee table book, and predictions for Phantom's future. What makes this such an exciting time for the fandom, and what are they hoping to see next? Join Andrea and Lindsey for another deep dive into all things Phantom. #PhantomOfTheOpera #BetweenTwoPhans #JordanDonica #BeatricePennyTouré #SierraBoggess #Phantom40 #MusicalTheatre #WestEnd #Broadway #PhantomFans

Between Two Phans Ep. 11: Phantom’s 40th Anniversary Gala + The “Brilliant Original” Debate

50 min

The Phantom of the Opera is celebrating 40 years, but the fandom is still debating what makes a production the “Brilliant Original.” In this episode of Between Two Phans, we revisit the 40th anniversary gala, from Michael Crawford and Sarah Brightman performing on the iconic boat to the Music of the Night medley and the spectacular Masquerade finale. We also discuss Sarah Brightman's influence on the creation of Phantom, Steve Barton's iconic Raoul, the evolution of costumes and set pieces, and the changes that have shaped the show across different productions. Why are some fans unhappy with the current London production and its upcoming pro-shot? Can a production evolve while still honouring its original creative team? We share our thoughts on preserving Phantom's legacy while celebrating the performers and innovations keeping the show alive. Happy 40th anniversary, Phantom!

Welcome to Dragon Con minisode

12 min

In this special Between Two Phans minisode, Andrea is joined by Christine Evans at Dragon Con while they wait for Lindsey to join. Andrea and Christine chat about the Dragon Con parade, costumes, musical theatre fandom, Phantom connections, and some of the wonderfully nerdy moments they experienced at the convention. They talk about Heathers, Hadestown, Wicked, The Lion King, Moulin Rouge! and more, sharing what makes Dragon Con such a fun place for theatre and fandom communities. A short Dragon Con special for anyone who loves The Phantom of the Opera, musical theatre, costumes, and fandom culture.

Between Two Phans Ep. 10: Two Phantoms in One Show + 40th Anniversary Casting

1 hr 0 min

Andrea and Lindsey are back with stories from one of their wildest Masquerade performances yet, plus their reactions to the newly announced Phantom of the Opera 40th anniversary casting. Andrea's 25th Masquerade show turned into an unexpected two-Phantom performance after a mid-show cast switch. They break down what happened, from the Phantom elevator game and a private boat moment to a lengthy show stop in the carnival and the surprise casting change that followed. Lindsey also shares why she enjoyed Masquerade more the second time around, how a smaller audience changed the experience, and why approaching the production as an immersive attraction rather than a traditional stage show made a difference. Then, Andrea and Lindsey react to Jordan Donica being announced as the Phantom for the 40th anniversary cast, discuss the significance of the casting, share thoughts on Sierra Boggess as Carlotta, and make predictions about future Phantom casting and productions around the world. Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep. 9: Why the U.S. Phantom Tour Feels Different

1 hr 7 min

In this episode of Between Two Phans, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) compare the North American Tour and the West End production of The Phantom of the Opera. From audience enthusiasm and cast energy to Christine's growing recognition, they explore how different productions create completely different experiences for both performers and audiences. The conversation then shifts into a deeper discussion about the Phantom and Christine's relationship, examining themes of consent, grooming, narcissistic abuse, and how different acting choices can change the way audiences interpret the story. Topics include: • U.S. Tour vs West End • Audience energy and cast enthusiasm • Christine appreciation • Different Phantom and Christine portrayals • Raoul's role in the story • Consent and power dynamics • Grooming and narcissistic abuse • Why every production tells a different story A thoughtful conversation about performance, storytelling, and why Phantom continues to inspire passionate discussion among fans. Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep. 8: Why We Almost Quit the Phandom

57 min

In this episode of Between Two Phans, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) return after a long break to discuss something more personal than usual: the challenges of being visible in fandom. The conversation explores toxic fan behavior, parasocial relationships, online harassment, and the emotional toll that fandom can sometimes take on creators and longtime fans. Andrea and Lindsey share their own experiences, including burnout, difficult interactions within the community, and why both of them seriously considered stepping away from the Phantom fandom altogether. Topics include: • Andrea's recent life changes and travels • Returning to the Phantom community after a break • Online harassment and creator boundaries • Parasocial relationships in fandom spaces • The impact of toxic fandom culture • Death threats and creator safety • Grooming discussions within the Phantom community • Why kindness matters in fandom spaces A candid and deeply personal episode about community, boundaries, and finding your way back to the things you love. Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 7: Non-Replica Phantom Productions - Mexico, Europe and Wild Stagings

52 min

In this episode of Between Two Phans, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) explore the world of non-replica productions of The Phantom of the Opera. While most audiences know the original Hal Prince and Maria Björnson staging from Broadway and the West End, Phantom has also been produced around the world in non-replica versions with entirely different sets, costumes, staging, and creative interpretations. From Hungary to Italy, Spain, Mexico, and Romania, these productions reimagine the show in ways that range from fascinating to completely chaotic. In this episode we discuss: • What replica vs non-replica productions mean • The controversial Restaged Tour • The Italian Phantom production starring Ramin Karimloo • How the show evolved when it moved to Spain and Mexico • Differences in staging, costumes, and orchestration • The wild Romanian production and other international versions • Why non-replica productions help Phantom reach new audiences From Europe to Latin America to Africa, Phantom continues to evolve in unexpected ways around the world. Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 6: POTO Takes that Will Get Us Canceled

57 min

In this episode of Between Two Phans, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) finally say the quiet parts out loud. This is the hot takes episode. From 2004 movie discourse to Love Never Dies chaos, replica vs. “brilliant original” wars, fandom gatekeeping, angry Facebook men, and why people feel like they own the show — nothing is off limits. We’ve both been in Phantom spaces for a long time (one of us since the late ’90s, one of us very loudly for the past few years), and we’ve seen the same cycles repeat again and again. In this episode, we discuss: • The evolution of Phantom fandom from forums to Tumblr to TikTok • Gatekeeping, elitism, and the “fan resume” era • Why you’re allowed to like (or dislike) any Phantom you want • Love Never Dies and its complicated legacy • The replica vs. restage debate (Pegasus, chandelier, doubles) • Hal Prince on change and why theatre must evolve • Why Phantom doesn’t belong to us — even if we love it • How diversity in casting is shifting the energy of the fandom We are not here to tell you what to like. We are here to say: you can have opinions without policing other people’s joy. Phantom has survived for nearly four decades because it evolves. The fandom survives when we do the same. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera. If you love deep dives, performance analysis, fandom history, spicy theatre discourse, and chaotic but informed Phantom energy — subscribe.

Between Two Phans Ep 5: Masquerade NYC — Immersive Phantom, Drops & Deep Lore

56 min

Phantom has returned to New York — but not the way you think. In Episode 5, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) dive into Masquerade NYC, the immersive Phantom experience housed inside the historic former Lee’s Art Shop building on West 57th Street. From viral marketing drops to pulse-based audience chaos, we break down what this reimagined Phantom actually is — and what it isn’t. In this episode, we discuss: • The origin of Masquerade NYC after Broadway closed • The building history and why it matters • The red letters, newspaper drops, and guerrilla marketing campaign • “Sign the Ledger” and Discord activations • What a “pulse” is and why every show feels different • Why this is not replica Phantom — and why that matters • Cast rotations and wildly different Phantom interpretations • Audience energy roulette and immersive unpredictability • When tech and crowd flow impact your experience • Why immersive theatre requires a mindset shift • Ticket pricing and what you’re actually paying for • Dress code realities (no heels. seriously.) • Why immersive Phantom expands who gets to be Eric and Christine Masquerade isn’t Broadway in a warehouse. It’s a reinvention. A version of Phantom that shifts depending on the cast, the pulse group, and the energy in the room. If you’re planning a visit — or just curious how Phantom survives outside the proscenium — this is your spoiler-light guide. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 3: The Phantom Cosplay Episode — Origins, Upgrades & 20 Years of Masks

56 min

Cosplay built this friendship. In Episode 3, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) finally do the inevitable: the Phantom Cosplay Episode. From accidental Halloween experiments in 2003 to international convention panels and custom-built suits, this is the full origin story. Two decades of masks. Mistakes. Upgrades. Rhinestones. In this episode, we discuss: • Lindsey’s accidental Phantom villain origin story • Early-2000s effects makeup (before YouTube tutorials existed) • The birth of Phantom on a Budget and the forum era of fandom • Two custom Phantom suits and 20+ years of costume evolution • Cosplay panels, judging, and traveling internationally • Andrea’s Rocky Horror costume contest win • DIY upcycle fashion chaos (yes, serger only — no sewing machine) • Lord of the Rings parody filmmaking in Central Park • Returning to cosplay via San Diego Comic-Con • The 3 a.m. Wishing Dress purchase that changed everything • Star Princess upgrades and rhinestone escalation • Mask history, waistcoat debates, and replica vs non-replica differences • Theatre etiquette: should you wear cosplay to the show? • Wig tips and beginner advice for aspiring Phantom cosplayers Cosplay isn’t just dressing up. It’s craft. It’s fandom history. It’s trial and error. It’s a 20-year pipeline of “I could make that better.” Whether you’re a longtime cosplayer or Phantom fan curious about how deep the mask rabbit hole goes — this one’s for you. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 2: Alt Christine Debut, Tour Chaos & Ensemble Love

43 min

The tour continues — and things are already evolving. In Episode 2, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) break down Alexa’s debut as Christine, a final Baltimore performance with energy at an 11, and the small character choices that are reshaping this replica production in real time. Alt debuts. Ensemble love. Boat mishaps. Angry Final Lair energy. In this episode, we discuss: • Alexa’s debut as Christine and her bold, feisty interpretation • Sitting next to Alexa’s family on debut night • A completely different “Oh, so it is you” delivery • Travelator choices and Don Juan “find out phase” energy • The angriest Final Lair Christine we’ve seen • Andrea’s 40th Phantom show — and first time crying • Isaiah’s monkey moment supremacy • Final Baltimore performance reactions from veteran fans • When the boat doesn’t boat (live theatre realities) • Strobe surprises during “Music of the Night” • Jordan’s emotional depth and raw “Wishing” • A “Think of Me” passing-of-the-torch moment • Ensemble standouts (Reyer, Piangi, ballet appreciation) • Blocking shifts and Giry/Meg awareness • Phantom meeting the cultural moment (and why nostalgia isn’t that deep) This cast is settling in fast — and the nuance, confidence, and character work are deepening with every performance. If you love tracking how Phantom evolves night to night, this is your tour check-in. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 4: Phantom Original Broadway Pro Shot (1988 Archival Deep Dive)

1 hr 11 min

The sacred scrolls. In Episode 4, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) deep dive into the original Broadway cast archival recording of The Phantom of the Opera, filmed in May 1988 and housed at the Theatre on Film and Tape Archive (TOFT) at the New York Public Library. This recording is not commercial and can only be viewed in person for research purposes — and yes, it’s absolutely worth the reservation. In this episode, we discuss: • How to access the NYPL Theatre on Film and Tape Archive • What the viewing experience is actually like • The surprising quality of the 1988 multi-camera recording • Sarah Brightman’s original Christine and early agency in “Point of No Return” • Michael Crawford’s eerie, book-accurate Phantom • Phantom Hands™ and the intensity of “Stranger Than You Dreamt It” • Steve Barton’s foundational Raoul performance • Differences in blocking, choreography, and tone from 1988 to today • The slower Broadway chandelier drop • Early lyric and staging variations • The devastating physical transformation in the Final Lair • Why this archival recording feels like missing canon for longtime fans This isn’t nostalgia for nostalgia’s sake. It’s blueprint viewing. You see where the choices started. You see what evolved. And you understand why these performances became foundational for every production that followed. If you’re ever in New York City, book a viewing. It’s a piece of theatre history. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

Between Two Phans Ep 1: The Phantom U.S. Tour Launch (Box Five Tour Deep Dive)

51 min

The Phantom has returned to the road. In our very first episode, Andrea (Flagbridge Designs) and Lindsey (Phantom on a Budget) break down opening weekend of the brand-new U.S. National Tour of The Phantom of the Opera — the long-awaited “Box Five” replica tour. From first impressions to chandelier discourse, we cover what’s working, what’s evolving, and why this production already feels electric. In this episode, we discuss: • Opening weekend reactions and early cast chemistry • Isaiah’s take on the Phantom and those Final Lair mic moments • Jordan’s Christine and emotional nuance in “Wishing” • Replica vs. restage confusion — and why this is a true replica • The new chandelier drop and why it absolutely works • Touring realities (boats, portcullis, noose chaos) • LED wall integration and subtle scenic upgrades • Costume updates, Star Princess discourse, and tailcoat details • The first Black Principal Phantom’s historically textured wig • New prosthetic sculpting and makeup evolution • Why this may be one of the most diverse Phantom casts yet We also talk fandom reactions, “brilliant original” debates, and why Phantom has never been a static show — it has always evolved. If you’re following the tour or just love a deep dive into staging, design, and performance choices, this is your opening-night breakdown. 🖤 Between Two Phans is a mostly unedited, sometimes unhinged, always enthusiastic podcast about The Phantom of the Opera.

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