Eli Mazour

Clause 8

About the show

Clause 8 is the long-form IP podcast hosted by Eli Mazour, featuring conversations with the people and forces shaping the patent system. Its audience includes sophisticated in-house counsel, judges, IP policymakers, senior USPTO officials, patent dealmakers, and leading practitioners. The show is designed to help listeners stay ahead of the curve by understanding not just the latest patent developments, but the personalities, incentives, and institutions behind them. Clause 8 features conversations that provide strategic insight into patent law, policy, innovation, licensing, and other issues affecting the IP community. Past guests have included major American innovators, federal judges, USPTO Directors, senior IP staff on Capitol Hill, in-house leaders, patent dealmakers — and Carole Baskin’s attorney from Tiger King. Law360 featured Clause 8 first in its 2026 list of “5 Podcasts to Keep IP Attys Entertained and Informed,” describing its guests as “a bit of a who’s who of IP law.” Clause 8 has also been covered or cited by Bloomberg, Courthouse News Service, Above the Law, IAM, Original Jurisdiction, and other publications. www.voiceofip.com

Newest episodes

Why Companies Miss 95% of Their Inventions

Nov 10, 2026 1 hr 4 min

Austin Walters saw the AI boom coming as an inventor on more than 650 patents. Now the IP Copilot founder explains how companies lose most of what their engineers invent. He spent two years at a major patent filer before anyone told him there was a patent program, built a large language model before transformers, and wrote a 2018 blog post saying "it's over." He sells software to in-house patent teams, yet predicts that companies will end up with in-house or outside counsel but not both, and says they're missing 95% of their inventions. Host Eli Mazour pushes back on where AI drafting is headed. Clause 8 is brought to you by: IP Copilot (https://ipcopilot.ai/) - Discover, manage, and protect your IP. Junior (https://docs.junior.law) - Your legal team's documents, drafted in your team's style. Listen to the full conversation at VoiceOfIP.com Chapters 00:00:00 Introduction 00:01:24 From Researcher to Prolific Inventor 00:06:17 Why Patent Programs Miss Most Ideas 00:10:18 The Origin of IP Copilot 00:17:10 Disclosures and Engaging Busy Inventors 00:21:01 Patents Versus Trade Secrets 00:22:48 AI Drafting and the Future of Patent Work 00:28:21 AI at the USPTO 00:29:44 Guardrails, Workflows, and Smaller Models 00:37:22 Evaluating AI Tools 00:40:27 Where AI Is Heading 00:46:57 The IP Function Inside Companies 00:50:02 Prior Art, Customer Success, and Review Committees 00:58:06 Advice and a Look Ahead to 2030 This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

“Nobody Won Until I Won”: Perry Saidman, the Godfather of Design Law

Oct 27, 2026 1 hr 8 min

Perry Saidman passed away on October 15, 2026, less than a month after we recorded this conversation. Perry built the market for design patents. His win in Avia v. LA Gear, a sneaker knockoff case, helped prove design patents could be enforced. He co-founded and led the firm that became Sterne Kessler, then left in 1990 to start Saidman DesignLaw Group, the first firm in the country dedicated to design patents. In this episode: - How a sneaker knockoff, and his best deposition, put design patents on the map - Founding what became Sterne Kessler, and why he walked away - How Apple v. Samsung did more for design patents than 22 years of his marketing - Claiming the "DNA" of a product, and the appendix "trick of the trade" - Why the wrong design patents end up litigated - Range of Motion and the Egyptian Goddess sentence he called "a gift to infringers" - "Specialize, specialize, specialize," and leaving the top of the mountain Clause 8 is sponsored by: Junior AI (http://docs.junior.law/) - Your legal team's documents, drafted in your team's style. IP Copilot (https://ipcopilot.ai/) - Discover, manage, and protect your IP. Chapters 00:00:00 The Avia shoe case and how he got into design patents 00:04:12 Creating the market for design patents 00:07:24 Founding the firm that became Sterne Kessler, and why he left 00:22:00 Apple v. Samsung and where companies should start 00:29:41 Design patent strategy: functionality, solid lines, the appendix and GUIs 00:41:43 LKQ, examination and common mistakes 00:50:01 Egyptian Goddess and Range of Motion 00:55:22 Replacement parts, advice for lawyers and finding a niche 01:04:05 Leaving the top of the mountain This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story

Oct 13, 2026 1 hr 41 min

When Coke Morgan Stewart became acting director of the USPTO, much of the patent world knew little about her. In this episode of Clause 8, Stewart, now President and CEO of the Council for Innovation Promotion (C4IP), sits down with host Eli Mazour to tell her own story and explain the how and why behind her decisions. Clause 8 is presented by:Junior AI - Your legal team’s documents, drafted in your team’s style.IP Copilot - Discover, manage, and protect your IP. In this episode: - Her path from English literature to the acting director’s chair, including the video call from a cruise ship where she learned she’d be deputy director - Her father, Judge Henry Coke Morgan Jr., and the $2.75 billion Centripetal v. Cisco judgment the Federal Circuit later vacated - Her first months at the USPTO: the backlog, the hiring freeze, the “fork in the road” offer, return to office and telework - IPR institution, “settled expectations” and repeat challenges, and why she puts the odds of the proposed PTAB rules becoming final at 60/40 - The reported move by Director John Squires to return institution decisions to PTAB panels, and the pros and cons - What she’d do differently, including a workforce council, plus AI and copyright Chapters:00:00:00 Introduction: who is Coke Morgan Stewart?00:13:10 Her father’s patent cases and the Cisco stock controversy00:27:00 Becoming acting director: how she pursued the job00:37:30 The call from a cruise ship00:40:47 Day one: backlog, hiring freeze and DOGE-era turmoil00:51:35 Settled expectations and repeat challenges01:08:13 The proposed PTAB rules and the push for legislation01:17:28 Squires and institution decisions returning to PTAB panels01:33:32 What she’d do differently: a workforce council This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

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All episodes

Why Companies Miss 95% of Their Inventions

Nov 10, 2026 1 hr 4 min

“Nobody Won Until I Won”: Perry Saidman, the Godfather of Design Law

Oct 27, 2026 1 hr 8 min

Coke Morgan Stewart Tells Her Story

Oct 13, 2026 1 hr 41 min

How Patent Litigation Really Moves: IAM, IP Fray, and MLex Reporters on the Year in IP

Sep 29, 2026 45 min

To open the season, host Eli Mazour brings together three journalists who cover intellectual property for a living: Olivia Rafferty of IP Fray, Nisha Shetty of IAM, and Inbar Preiss of MLex. They discuss what happens when patent litigation concentrates in a few courts, from Germany's dominance at the Unified Patent Court to the rise and fall of Judge Alan Albright in Texas. They also cover consolidation in the video codec patent pool market, Europe's fight over AI and copyright (including cases involving OpenAI, Suno, and Google's Gemini), why mainstream media struggles to cover IP, and what each journalist is watching next. Clause 8 is presented by: Junior AI - Your legal team's documents, drafted in your team's style. https://junior.law P Copilot - Discover, manage, and protect your IP. https://ipcopilot.ai Chapters: 00:00 Introduction & meet the panel 00:56 How each journalist got into covering IP 07:42 The SEP regulation's rise, withdrawal, and EU court challenge 11:53 US patent policy shifting with each administration 13:40 Why most UPC cases are filed in Germany 17:08 The Judge Albright controversy 20:03 The EU's standardization regulation review 23:50 Patent pools consolidate: the Via and Access Advance merger 26:58 AI collides with copyright law 30:26 Why mainstream media struggles to cover IP 37:40 What's on the radar for next year Subscribe to the Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content: https://www.youtube.com/@clause8 Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Via Eyes "De Facto" Standards for Future Pools

Jun 2, 2026 50 min

Kevin Mack, the new president of Via Licensing Alliance, joins Eli for the Clause 8 season finale. Kevin talks about Via's plans to build its next patent pools around "de facto" standards — technology the market adopted on its own, with no standards body behind it — which would push collaborative licensing into territory it has never touched. Mack also takes a hard look at the royalty-free models spreading through tech and AI, from AV1 to the new Shared AI License Foundation (SAIL), argues that "free" rarely stays free, and explains why he's optimistic about where the patent system is heading. Kevin and Eli also discuss: *Via's model and the "tipping point" that turns a pool from a few licensors into thousands of licensees *"De facto" standards: pooling patents for technology no standards body ever blessed *Leadership turnover at Via, the HEVC pool's move to Access Advance, and a new strategy-and-growth group *The push into semiconductors, including a new DRAM memory program *AV1, SAIL, and why Mack thinks royalty-free rarely stays free *Whether AI patents are as "foundational" as advertised — and why "AI is not new" *Efficient infringement, patents as property rights, and why companies ultimately take a license *The mood out of Via's Rome summit and a US patent system tilting back toward owners Notable names, companies & standards People: Kevin Mack (president, Via Licensing Alliance); Heath Hoglund (former Via president); John Amster (Jamster Capital; RPX co-founder) Organizations: Via Licensing Alliance (Via LA), MPEG LA, Dolby, Access Advance, Alliance for Open Media, Shared AI License Foundation (SAIL), WIPO (PatentScope), DOJ, USPTO SAIL founders / board (public): Anthropic, Genentech, IBM, Meta, Microsoft; board observers eBay and TD Bank Group; members include Block and Figma Standards & technologies: AAC, AVC (H.264), HEVC (H.265), AV1, MPEG-2, Qi wireless charging, DRAM memory, SEP / FRAND Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discus...

AI Boom Calls for New Copyright Law, Says USPTO Chief Behind the DMCA

May 19, 2026 1 hr 15 min

Bruce Lehman, head of USPTO from 1993 to 1998, joins Clause 8 for a wide-ranging conversation about the modern IP system, the internet boom, and why the AI era may require a new copyright response from Congress. Lehman helped shape internet-era copyright policy from the USPTO, including the work that led to the WIPO Copyright Treaties and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). He also played a major role in the broader 1990s pro-IP moment, when the United States was strengthening IP rights globally through TRIPS, WIPO, and trade policy. Now, Lehman argues that courts have spent the last two decades weakening copyright through an expansive view of fair use — creating a system where AI companies can train on massive amounts of human-created content without giving creators a meaningful stake. Asked whether new legislation is needed to protect creators in the AI age, Lehman does not hesitate: “The short answer is yes.” The episode also covers: *Lehman’s “patent pendulum” theory and why he believes the US is now in a low-protection IP era *How the DMCA emerged from the Clinton administration’s internet copyright work *TRIPS, WIPO, and the globalization of IP rights in the 1990s *Bayh-Dole and the rise of the university-to-startup pipeline *Lehman’s historic confirmation as the first openly gay man confirmed by the Senate *His role in turning the USPTO into a “prominent perch” for national IP policy *Gilbert Hyatt, submarine patents, and SAWS *USPTO telework, examiner retention, and modernization *His message that current leadership should “stop tormenting the Patent Corps” *The limits of AI — and why Lehman thinks it lacks the "metaphysical" spark behind true invention *Judge Pauline Newman and her pro-patent legacy Watch the full episode and read the companion post on Voice of IP: https://voiceofip.com/ Subscribe to the Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content: https://www.youtube.com/@clause8 Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss...

The AI Patent Team Alice Built Shares Its Prosecution Secrets

May 5, 2026 46 min

When Alice came down in 2014, much of the patent prosecution bar reacted with denial. Most practitioners hoped the USPTO, the Federal Circuit, or Congress would clean things up — and that adding some magic language to claims and specifications would eventually be enough. Eli Mazour and Ngai Zhang, separately, came to a different conclusion: there had to be a new, better way to obtain strong patents in the post-Alice world. They started comparing notes more than a decade ago, eventually converged on a shared approach, and now implement these strategies together at Foley & Lardner. On this episode of Clause 8, Eli and Ngai walk through what they actually do — their unique strategies for avoiding and overcoming Section 101 issues, why it's difficult for other attorneys to implement these strategies, and how they think their practice will be impacted in the age of AI. In this episode: * Why relying only on art unit prediction tools & wordsmithing is a losing strategy for § 101 * Why claim 1 shouldn’t be your broadest claim * How taking features out of independent claims helps advance prosecution - and how the strategy also leaves clients routinely surprised by how broad their issued claims end up * Examiner interviews as hostage negotiations: Ngai’s framework based on Chris Voss’s Never Split the Difference * Differing approaches that Ngai and Eli have on whether to push for an explicit on-the-record agreement before ending an interview * AI as a collaborator for patent drafting and prosecution * The importance of human interactions and communication for patent prosecution even in the age of AI Watch the full episode and read the companion post on Voice of IP: https://voiceofip.com/ Subscribe to the Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content: https://www.youtube.com/@clause8 📌 Presented by Tradespace — where ideas take flight. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voic...

Inventor Gilbert Hyatt's gift to America — will America accept it?

Apr 21, 2026 19 min

President Trump and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick pride themselves on being dealmakers and on making the kind of unconventional deals for America no one else could have gotten done. Gil Hyatt is offering them one that sounds like a no-brainer. However, the question remains whether that dealmaking reputation is enough to overcome thirty years of inertia from prior administrations focused on opposing Hyatt, including most notably on keeping any more of his patents from ever issuing. Inventor Gil Hyatt returns to Clause 8 to discuss his proposal to donate foundational AI patents to the Pioneering AI Foundation, a nonprofit he says could help give the U.S. government new leverage to advance American interests. Hyatt also reflects on his decades-long battle with the USPTO, the motivation behind the foundation, and why he sees the project as a gift to America ahead of the nation’s 250th birthday. Will America accept the gift? The episode covers: * 00:23 — the ongoing battle with the USPTO * 02:44 — the Pioneering AI Foundation * 05:35 — using the ITC and trade agreements as leverage * 07:11 — human rights and labor unions: leveling the global playing field * 10:24 — AI in the classroom: the “super headstart” for children * 12:35 — relieving drudgery: AI as a catalyst for creative thinking * 14:27 — addressing skepticism: motives and financials * 16:16 — repaying the dream: the legacy of immigrant parents * 17:34 — advice for the next generation of inventors * 18:22 — final thoughts: destiny and helping America 🎧 Watch the full episode above or listen on your favorite podcast app—and subscribe to the Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content. 📌 Presented by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

The Hidden Costs of “Free” Patent Licensing Initiatives

Apr 7, 2026 56 min

Is anything in the patent world ever really free? That question anchors a new Clause 8 conversation between host Eli Mazour and Professor Kristen Osenga, a University of Richmond law professor and one of the leading academic voices on standard essential patents. At the center of the discussion is the rise of so-called “royalty-free” technology standards. Osenga’s point is straightforward: “free” often comes with strings attached — particularly for smaller innovators that may be required to cross-license valuable patent rights or accept terms they may later regret. Her main example is the Alliance for Open Media, the tech consortium behind a “royalty-free” video compression standard. The pitch sounds simple: use the standard without paying royalties. But, as Osenga explains, the real question is what companies may be giving up in return — and whether they fully understand the long-term cost of joining. She offers a simple analogy: a store gives away free croissants to get customers in the door. Customers build habits around it. Then one day the sign changes. In Osenga’s view, the same risk exists here. Companies can build products and business models around terms that may not remain as favorable as they first appeared. From there, the discussion broadens into the wider ecosystem of royalty-free standards, cross-licensing organizations, defensive patent pledges, and emerging AI-related IP initiatives. What is driving these arrangements? Collaboration? Public relations? Strategic control? And what, exactly, should companies think through before signing on? As Osenga puts it: “Follow the money … where are these groups making their money? Because it’s probably coming from some other part of their business model.” The episode also covers: * what the pattern of withdrawals from major cross-licensing organizations reveals about how these arrangements play out over time * SEP policy whiplash across US administrations, the Standard Essential Royalties Act (SERA), and where th...

USPTO Director John Squires' 'Foxhole Buddy' Tells All, Previews Message at Upcoming House Hearing

Mar 22, 2026 1 hr 8 min

The story of how John Squires became USPTO Director doesn’t start inside the Beltway. It starts on the Appalachian Trail, with Doug Pittman camping under shooting stars the night after Trump won the election. Pittman — a serial entrepreneur, inventor, and self-described “foxhole buddy” and “wingman” of Squires — drove up from Georgia to sit down with Eli for this episode., fresh off a meeting with the new director himself. What he shared was a rare inside account of how Squires ended up in the job, what he walked into, and why Pittman believes the USPTO finally has the right person at the helm. “Andrei went to Trump and said I’ve Got Your Man” The short version: it was Pittman who planted the seed. The moment Trump won, Pittman texted Andrei Iancu — the former USPTO director — from a campsite on the trail. Other names were circulating, and he wasn’t a fan of what he was hearing. His answer was John Squires, his own patent attorney. Iancu’s response: Do you think John would do it? Pittman said he’d ask. When he did, Squires’ reaction was immediate: “Doug, you’ve lost your mind.” But Pittman kept pushing, and Iancu worked his magic with the new admistration. Then Howart Lutnick got confirmed as Commerce Secretary. Squires and Lutnick already had a bond forged after 9/11. When Lutnick landed at Commerce — the patent office’s parent agency — the pieces fell into place. “Andrei went to Trump and said, ‘I’ve got your man.’ Long story short, that’s how John became USPTO nominee.” In this episode, Doug discusses: * Journey from son of a pig farmer to serial entrepreneur — including selling his first company in 1998 without ever opening his own envelope * How a billboard spotted on a drive to college with his son inspired the invention that led his first patent, and the years-long journey to get that first patent granted * Why he cried when the patent arrived — and why tears of joy turned into “tears of unhappiness” * How John Squires led his enforcement strategy and and the...

The USPTO Is Changing Course. The Early Examination Data Tells a More Complicated Story.

Mar 10, 2026 50 min

Eli Mazour is joined by Juristat’s Francesca Cruz and patent attorney Clint Mehall to look at what the examination data actually says about recent USPTO changes. The conversation moves past anecdotes to analyze how new examiner performance appraisal plan (PAP), new Section 101 guidance, and the end of the AFCP program are affecting day-to-day patent prosecution. The guests discuss a new framework for examiner seniority based on "At-Bats"—the total number of applications an examiner has handled—rather than just years at the Office. The data reveals surprising trends in office action consistency and why mid-level examiners might be more difficult than juniors. The discussion also covers the measurable decline in after-final allowances, why practitioners are defaulting to RCEs, and whether new guidance is actually moving the needle on Section 101 rejections in difficult art units. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 03:00 - What Practitioners are Hearing: An "Incredible Year of Change" 04:39 - Examiner Morale and the New Performance Appraisal Plan 06:24 - Redefining Seniority: Measuring "At-Bats" vs. Tenure 12:07 - Data Reveal: Junior vs. Senior Behavioral Trends 15:47 - The "Confidence Gap" and Obviousness Theories 18:19 - Art Unit Volatility: Why Individual Stats Matter More Than Averages 22:52 - Interviews and AFCP: Addressing the USPTO "Myth-Busters" 28:44 - The Shift to RCEs and the Decline of After-Final Allowances 34:52 - Section 101 Trends: Has AI Guidance Changed Rejection Rates? 44:47 - Final Thoughts: Preparing for Prosecution in 2026 Subscribe to the Voice of IP Substack: https://voiceofip.com/ 📌 Presented by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

From DABUS to ChatGPT and Beyond: How AI Is Reshaping Patent Law

Feb 24, 2026 52 min

Artificial intelligence has been raising foundational questions for patent law long before generative tools entered the mainstream. In this episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour speaks with Wen Xie, U.S. Patent Attorney and Founder of Lux Lumen Intellectual Property, about how legal thinking around AI, inventorship, and patent eligibility has evolved—and where it appears to be heading. The conversation traces early debates sparked by the DABUS cases, which framed AI inventorship as a question of whether a machine could be named as an inventor. While those cases clarified that U.S. patent law requires a human inventor, they also highlighted a more practical issue that remains unresolved: how to evaluate human contribution when AI tools play a role in the inventive process, including in areas such as industrial design. The episode also examines the USPTO’s shifting approach to AI-related inventions, from post-Alice uncertainty to more recent Section 101 guidance and new USPTO Director’s John Squires Ex parte Desjardins PTAB decision. Wen discusses how applicants can position AI inventions as genuine technological improvements, avoid overreliance on “black box” disclosures, and manage Section 112 risks. The discussion concludes with a forward-looking look at using AI tools for patent practice, the USPTO’s new pilot for AI-powered pre-examination search, and what these developments mean for practitioners and innovators navigating a rapidly changing IP landscape. Watch the full episode or listen on your favorite podcast app—and subscribe to the new Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content. Presented by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. Chapters 00:01 – Wen Xie’s early interest in AI and patent law02:10 – AI disruption before ChatGPT: imaging, medicine, and automation04:56 – How AI reshaped Wen’s legal career05:55 – DABUS, Thaler, and the AI inventorship debate08:56 – Human contribution vs. AI output10:40 – Should companies restrict inventors from using AI?11:59 – Wh...

How Senator Tillis’ Patent Leadership Provides Path for Cementing Recent USPTO Action

Feb 10, 2026 1 hr 10 min

In the latest episode of Clause 8, recorded in December 2025, Eli Mazour sits down with Peter-Anthony Pappas, Director of Intellectual Property Policy for the U.S. Senate Committee on the Judiciary under Senator Thom Tillis, at a moment when the USPTO’s direction is in significant alignment with what Senator Tillis and Senator Chris Coons have been working toward since reviving the Senate IP Subcommittee in 2019. Under new USPTO leadership, the agency has taken meaningful steps to strengthen patent rights over the last year—from significantly reining in the role of the PTAB in invalidating patents to bringing greater clarity to how Section 101 is applied within the USPTO. But as Peter-Anthony explains, while the steps taken by the agency are promising agency action alone is prone to change and limited to what happens at the USPTO. That’s where Senator Tillis comes in. Peter-Anthony walks through how PREVAIL and PERA will lock in much of the what the USPTO is doing and provide long-term certainty for innovators. The conversation explores the progress made last Congress, where the sticking points remain, and what it will take for the legislation to finally pass during Senator Tillis final term. Peter-Anthony is candid about the reality of iterative progress – the coalition building, education, and compromise required - as well as the entrenched interests who have resisted all legislative efforts. At the same time, he describes the slow but meaningful momentum he’s seeing, and why this moment presents an opportunity for the USPTO, Congress, and stakeholders to work together. Before being chosen as USPTO’s acting Director, Coke Morgan Stewart sounded a similar note of optimism about a second Trump administration supporting bi-partisan patent bills. Peter-Anthony brings a rare vantage point to that assessment. Before coming to Capitol Hill, he served as a frontline Patent Examiner, a Supervisory Patent Examiner, PTAB Branch Chief, and Special Advisor to former USPTO Dir...

Head of IP’s Playbook for the AI Infrastructure Boom

Jan 27, 2026 26 min

How do you protect the IP of a rapidly growing technology company in the dynamic AI sector without slowing engineers or missing what really matters? That question is at the center of this episode of Clause 8, where host Eli Mazour sat down with Subroto Bose, Head of IP at Astera Labs, at the VIA Licensing Alliance’s 2025 Bridge Summit. Prior to Astera, Subroto held IP leadership roles at global semiconductor companies and standards-driven licensing environments. That breadth of experience informs a central theme of the conversation: effective IP strategy is ultimately about predicting the future. Patents filed today must remain relevant not only at issuance, but across multiple generations of products and shifting market realities. Astera Labs operates at the intersection of AI and semiconductors, a highly competitive space where multiple companies are advancing the technology in parallel and IP strategy must complement active—and sometimes unpredictable—product development. Subroto brings a rare perspective to that challenge, shaped by earlier experiences growing semiconductor patent portfolios and dealing with non-practicing entities at Altera and Marvell, as well as buying patent portfolios and participating in patent pools at Dolby Laboratories, before taking on the task of building an IP program from scratch at Astera. During the discussion, Eli and Subroto explore how early-stage companies should prioritize patent filings under budget constraints, why patent quality matters far more than volume, and how IP leaders can embed patent thinking directly into engineering culture rather than treating it as a separate legal function. Subroto explains why, in a competitive environment, some IP decisions cannot be deferred without consequences—and how that reality shapes what he chooses to protect and when. He also reflects on what years spent reviewing patents as a buyer taught him about identifying real value, and how that buyer’s lens now influences his current role....

HP’s Chief IP Counsel on the Advice that Propelled Her Success

Jan 13, 2026 1 hr 20 min

While many people talk about mentorship, HP’s Chief IP Counsel Ceyda Maisami and Tradespace’s VP of IP Operations & Client Success Marcia Chang actually live it. In this episode, Ceyda and Marcia join Clause 8 host Eli Mazour for a wide-ranging conversation about mentorship, what it really takes to run IP teams inside large technology companies, and what the rise of AI means for both in-house and outside counsel. They share the story of how they first met at HP, why Ceyda credits Marcia with the advice and encouragement that helped her grow into the Chief IP Counsel role, and what that guidance looks like in practice for other in-house lawyers navigating their own careers. The conversation also dives into HP’s experience with high-stakes litigation and how those lessons shape its global patent portfolio strategy. Ceyda also offers a behind-the-scenes look at HP’s IP team restructure—why early attempts fell short and what finally made the new model work. The discussion delivers practical takeaways for anyone building or leading an in-house IP team, balancing portfolio development with business goals, or working to make IP more central to company decisions. The episode closes with a candid, practical discussion of AI—what it means for the expectations placed on outside counsel, how in-house teams are already using it, and what lawyers need to do to continue delivering real value as the pace of work accelerates. Together, Ceyda and Marcia offer a rare, grounded look at mentorship, leadership, and the future of IP inside major tech companies. 👉 Listen to the full episode—and explore more conversations shaping the future of IP—on the Clause 8 YouTube channel. 📌 Presented by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel & Head of Audio Patents on Building Valuable Patent Portfolios in Uncertain Times

Dec 30, 2025 17 min

At the 2025 Via Licensing Alliance Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Brian Dorini, Senior Director at Dolby, and Tyrome Brown, Dolby’s Chief Patent Counsel, offered a clear-eyed look at the state of patent pools and the shifting realities of the global SEP ecosystem. Far from being outdated structures, both emphasized that pools remain essential tools for enabling collaboration, reducing friction, and supporting meaningful innovation — even amid regulatory uncertainty. Dorini described patent pools as “great democratizers of technology,” helping both licensors and implementers navigate increasingly complex standards environments. As regulatory scrutiny intensifies across the U.S., Europe, and Asia, he noted that pools are evolving in response, finding new ways to balance transparency with practical, market-driven licensing solutions. Brown expanded on this theme from Dolby’s internal perspective. He outlined how Dolby ensures the strength and essentiality of its patent portfolio — through direct participation in standards development, rigorous internal analysis, and independent evaluations. These processes, he explained, are critical not only for maintaining high-quality SEP assets but for building trust across the licensing market. Both speakers also pointed forward. As Dolby’s technologies extend into areas such as wireless power, EV charging, and other emerging platforms, the role of patent pools is likely to expand. While the fundamental structure of pools may remain consistent, their scope and global influence continue to grow, driven by new implementers, new licensors, and new technological frontiers. 📌 Presented by Tradespace – where ideas take flight🔔 Subscribe to the Clause 8 Podcast for more deep-dive conversations📬 Subscribe to the Voice of IP Substack so that you don’t miss another episode: https://voiceofip.com/ ▶️ Subscribe to the new Clause 8 YouTube channel for bonus content Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this w...

USPTO’s “One-and-Done” PTAB Approach and its Impact on the Patent Policy Debate

Dec 16, 2025 1 hr 20 min

Recent changes at USPTO are increasingly shaping the context in which Congress considers potential patent legislation. In the latest episode of Clause 8, the focus turns to how the USPTO’s evolving approach to post-grant proceedings at the PTAB is shaping the broader patent policy debate—and influencing what Congress may (or may not) do next. The episode features David Jones, Executive Director of the High Tech Inventors Alliance (HTIA) and a longtime Clause 8 favorite, alongside Jeffrey Hantson, a former patent litigator and senior Senate Judiciary Committee staffer who most recently served as Deputy General Counsel to Sen. Dick Durbin after advising Sen. Mazie Hirono on IP issues. Dave and Jeff first crossed paths during the pre-pandemic Section 101 roundtables, and the episode captures their fun, wonky back-and-forth dynamic. A central theme is whether the USPTO’s recent moves on IPR institution—including its Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM)—create an opening for Congress to strike a bargain, or instead make legislative compromise harder. Dave and Jeff explore how the introduction of settled expectations, Director John Squires reclaiming institution authority, and broader institution trends are reshaping the conversation around proposals such as the PREVAIL Act. Jeff frames the core tension in familiar terms for staffers and stakeholders: at some point, should the USPTO be done reassessing a patent’s validity? Dave, for his part, is skeptical that legislation is the answer when the agency is (in his view) drifting from what was envisioned when Congress created the PTAB under the America Invents Act (AIA). The conversation also explores why PREVAIL advanced further than PERA in the last Congress, why PTAB reform is often easier to grasp on Capitol Hill than Section 101 eligibility, and why Sen. Thom Tillis’ likability—and impending retirement—may matter more than most people realize. Set against a backdrop of shifting IP leadership on Capitol Hill and mixed ad...

Novartis’ Global Head of IP Affairs on How Patent Eligibility Mess Threatens Life-Saving Innovation & Why He Remains Optimistic

Dec 2, 2025 1 hr 10 min

Corey Salsberg, one of the leading voices on intellectual property policy in the United States, joins Clause 8 to discuss surviving the anti-pharma activism of the last administration, why he’s encouraged by the current administration’s approach to patent policy, and even the scientific possibility of “resurrecting the woolly mammoth.” As Global Head of IP at Novartis, Salsberg has a unique vantage point on how legal uncertainty affects the future of healthcare innovations. His work testifying before Congress has placed him at the center of the debate over the Supreme Court’s Mayo, Myriad, and Alice decisions — rulings that he thinks have been followed by years of instability around Section 101, threatening investment in critical biotech and diagnostic breakthroughs. The conversation explores the political landscape surrounding the Patent Eligibility Restoration Act (PERA), the persistence of myths like “patent thickets,” and the consequences of letting misinformation shape innovation policy. It also highlights what Congress can do to prevent the U.S. from falling behind in the race for gene and AI-driven therapeutics. Ultimately, Salsberg’s perspective underscores how constructive, good-faith dialogue across industries remains essential to safeguarding innovation. 🎧 Listen to the full episode now on the Clause 8 Podcast. 📌 Sponsored by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. ✉️ Subscribe to Voice of IP for more stories behind the world’s most consequential innovations:voiceofip.com Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Pioneers of the Modern Patent Pool Era at Via's Bridge Summit 2025

Nov 21, 2025 38 min

At the Via Licensing Alliance’s Bridge Summit 2025 in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who ushered in the modern age of patent pools: Garrard Beeney, founder of Sullivan & Cromwell’s IP practice, and John Sideris, Principal Licensing Counsel at Philips. Their conversation traces the evolution of patent pools — from the early days of MPEG LA and antitrust uncertainty to today’s complex, global licensing ecosystem. Garrard Beeney recalls how early skepticism toward joint licensing eventually gave way to an appreciation of how collaboration between innovators can expand access, reduce friction, and drive technological growth. He warns, however, that increasing regulatory interference — particularly in Europe — risks undermining a system that largely works. John Sideris brings the perspective of a major technology innovator. He discusses how Philips built a licensing culture that values both innovation and fairness, explaining why patent pools remain one of the most efficient and balanced ways to manage IP rights. He also shares a rare insider view into how companies factor intellectual property costs into product development — and why responsible licensing keeps the innovation cycle healthy. Together, their insights offer a window into how markets, not mandates, can sustain innovation — and why listening across the licensor-licensee divide remains essential for the future of IP. 🔔 Listen now via the Clause 8 Podcast📌 Sponsored by TradeSpace – where ideas take flight🖋️ Subscribe to Voice of IP for more in-depth conversations on patents, licensing, and innovation. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Exclusive Interview: USPTO Deputy Commissioner Explains Changes to Examiner Performance Plan

Nov 4, 2025 1 hr 7 min

In this episode of Clause 8, Deputy Commissioner for Patents Jerry Lorengo joins host Eli Mazour to share valuable, practical insights for patent professionals navigating the USPTO’s new Performance Appraisal Plan (PAP). Jerry discusses what’s changed in the latest update — including the revised streamlined review process, new production expectations, and updated interview time policy — and offers guidance on how examiners, applicants, and SPEs can adapt effectively. He reveals that the streamlined review will now focus only on independent claims, not dependent claims indicated as allowable, and explains how this early-stage supervisory review is designed to expedite prosecution, strengthen examination quality, and help SPEs learn from experienced primary examiners. Jerry also stresses the importance of collaboration: even with new interview limitations, examiners are encouraged to conduct interviews that help clarify issues and move applications forward. 📌 Sponsored by Tradespace – where ideas take flight.📬 Subscribe to the Voice of IP Substack: https://voiceofip.com/🔔 Subscribe to the Clause 8 Podcast for more deep-dive conversations. #patents #innovation #intellectualproperty #USPTO #Clause8 #VoiceOfIP This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

“The Inventress” Lisa Ascolese on the Realities of Being an Inventor: You Can’t Skip the Work

Oct 21, 2025 43 min

When I first heard about Lisa Ascolese, known as “The Inventress,” I knew I wanted to bring her story to Clause 8. Lisa’s path into inventing began after her family moved to Brooklyn, New York, where her creativity and curiosity found room to grow. She started inventing at a young age, driven by the simple desire to solve everyday problems. That curiosity evolved into a lifelong passion for turning ideas into reality. Her first major success—the Bosom Buddy breastfeeding cape—opened doors to retail shelves, QVC appearances, and a deep understanding of what it truly takes to bring a product to market. Thanks for reading Voice of IP! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work. In our conversation, Lisa and I talk about what inventors often learn the hard way: that success requires persistence, self-belief, and an understanding of both patents and business. She shares how she built Inventing from A to Z, a company that helps independent inventors navigate everything from concept to commercialization, and why she tells every creator: “A patent doesn’t sell your product—you do.” Lisa also offers insights for patent attorneys—encouraging them to ask inventors where they see their product being sold before diving into legal protection. Her perspective bridges the gap between invention and entrepreneurship, showing how passion and practicality go hand in hand. For anyone ready to turn ideas into impact, Lisa’s story is both inspiring and instructive. Her new book, “The Inventress’s Guide to Inventing The Right Way: All Or Nothing, Now Or Never”, is an essential companion for creators determined to make their vision real. 🎧 Listen to the Full Episode now on YouTube here 📌 Sponsored by Tradespace – where ideas take flight. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Secrets to Successfully Licensing in Asia from Via LA's Chief Licensing Officer & HDMI LA's President

Oct 7, 2025 39 min

At the Via LA 2025 Bridge Summit in San Francisco, Clause 8 host Eli Mazour sat down with two leaders who play pivotal roles in connecting innovators and licensees around the world: * Jane Bu, Chief Licensing Officer at Via LA, the world’s largest patent pool. (You can listen to Eli’s previous conversation with Via’s President, Heath Hoglund, here). * Rob Tobias, CEO & President of HDMI LA, the organization formed by Hitachi, Matsushita, Maxell, Philips, Silicon Image, Sony, Thomson and Toshiba to manage and promote the now ubiquitous HDMI interface. In this episode, the discussion turns to the difficulties of licensing in Asia — not as an abstract policy topic, but as a practical reality shaped by culture, relationships, and business expectations. Jane Bu reflects on how negotiations in Asian markets often rely less on formal processes and more on mutual trust built through repeated, in-person engagement. She also discusses China’s transformation from a latecomer in IP to one of the most active and sophisticated licensing environments in the world — and why patience and long-term relationship-building remain essential for licensors and licensees alike. From a different perspective, Rob Tobias explains how HDMI’s licensing framework relies on more than patents alone. He outlines how trademarks and brand protection have played a central role in ensuring compliance, maintaining quality, and driving global adoption of the HDMI standard — including in complex markets such as China and India. Together, their insights highlight how successful licensing in Asia depends as much on understanding people and context as it does on legal or technical structures. 🔔 Listen now via the Clause 8 Podcast 📌 Sponsored by TradeSpace – where ideas take flight 🖋️Subscribe to Voice of IP for more in-depth conversations on patents, licensing, and innovation. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voi...

Ex–USPTO Deputy Laura Peter on How America Benefits from University Research and Proposals to Seize IP

Sep 23, 2025 1 hr 0 min

Tech transfer has long been a critical but often overlooked part of the intellectual property system. For decades, the Bayh-Dole Act has guided how federally funded research moves from university labs into the marketplace. The system has generated hundreds of thousands of inventions and startups — and, as Laura Peter notes, led to nearly $2 trillion in economic growth through tech transfer. While widely regarded as a success, new march-in rights and “patent revenue sharing” proposals from policymakers seek to change that. In this episode of the Clause 8 Podcast, Eli spoke with Laura Peter, former Deputy Director of the USPTO in the first Trump administration and current Executive Director of Research Commercialization and Partnerships at UNC Charlotte. With experience in Silicon Valley, government, and academia, Laura brings a unique perspective to the challenges and opportunities facing tech transfer today. They cover: * How Laura first met Andrei Iancu — and how that led to her appointment as Deputy Director when he was chosen as the Director of the USPTO. * Lessons learned working in the first Trump administration about what to expect on the IP policy front this time around. * The distinct role patents play for startups versus large companies. * The lasting impact of the Bayh-Dole Act and how it reshaped tech transfer. * How funding cuts, private investment pressures, and PTAB swings are affecting university research. * Laura’s observation that proposals from the last administration to seize IP rights to lower drug prices haven’t been rescinded — and what that could mean for future policy. Why it matters The Bayh-Dole framework has been a cornerstone of U.S. innovation for more than forty years. Changes to how federally funded research is commercialized — whether through funding cuts, new government claims on patents, or expanded march-in rights — could redefine the balance between universities, startups, and industry. Laura’s perspective highlights not only the...

Why Creativity Needs Ownership: James Edwards on the Biblical Roots of IP & the Future of Patents

Sep 9, 2025 57 min

In To Invent Is Divine: Creativity and Ownership, Jim makes the case that creativity and ownership are inseparable—and that weakening intellectual property rights threatens the flourishing that invention enables. He draws connections between faith, history, and policy to explore why protecting intellectual property is about more than law or economics. Highlights from our conversation: * From Genesis to Jefferson: How creation implies ownership, and why even some Founders wrestled with protecting that principle in law. * Cycles of Patent Strength and Weakness: Why America’s “golden age” of inventors gave way to Progressive Era restraints—and how history may be repeating itself. * Policy at the Crossroads: Jim breaks down three bipartisan bills—PARA, PREVAIL, and RESTORE—and what it will take to get them passed. * Leadership at the USPTO: Why Acting Director Coke Morgan Stewart has already made an impact, and Jim perspective on the incoming Director John Squires and the path that he should follow. * Bipartisanship Matters: From his work with Eagle Forum, Jim explains why protecting patents requires coalition-building across party lines. Why it matters Creativity without ownership can lead to secrecy, stagnation, and scarcity. When the two are combined, society benefits from innovation and progress. Jim’s perspective offers both philosophical and practical insight into the patent debates shaping America’s innovation future. 🎧 Listen to the full episode on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. 📘 Learn more about James’s book “To Invent Is Divine, Creativity and Ownership” here. 👉 Do you think America needs stronger patent rights to fuel the next wave of innovation? Share your thoughts in the comments. 📢 Giveaway: Everyone who subscribes to the Clause 8 YouTube channel and comments on this episode’s video with the hashtag #Clause8Podcast will be entered into a drawing to win a copy of James Edwards’s book To Invent Is Divine: Creativity and Ownership This is...

USPTO Changes, Patent Trends, and Judge Newman Through the Lens of Top IP Journalists

Aug 26, 2025 1 hr 2 min

From Coke Morgan Stewart’s decisive actions at the USPTO, to Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s unexpected “patent tax” trial balloon, to the ongoing Federal Circuit drama — it felt impossible to figure out where to start telling the story. The only way to make sense of it all was to bring in three of our favorite journalists who cover these issues every day: * Eileen McDermott, Editor-in-Chief of IPWatchdog * Dani Kass, Senior Reporter at Law360 * Michael Shapiro, Senior Reporter at Bloomberg Together, we unpacked the biggest developments, why they matter, and how they’re being covered — with behind-the-scenes stories and candid insights about what it’s like to report on patents and IP. What We Covered USPTO’s New Direction * Coke Morgan Stewart’s rapid moves as acting director — especially at the PTAB * How she’s balancing speed, decisiveness, and practical limits Patent Tax Story * The Wall Street Journal report on a possible tax on patent value * Lutnick’s role and Stewart’s public comments walking a fine line Choosing a USPTO Director & John Squires * Breaking news about John Squires’ nomination and confirmation process * Early signals of what he’ll prioritize as director Federal Circuit & Judge Newman * How practitioner tips shape coverage of the court * Judge Pauline Newman’s saga — and what it’s like getting to know her personally On the Hill * Tillis, Coons, and the shifting dynamics in Congress * Prospects for PERA (101), PREVAIL (PTAB), and RESTORE (injunctions) Copyright & AI * The firing of Shira Perlmutter as head of the Copyright Office * Pushback against the office’s AI guidance Behind the Notebook * How these reporters choose stories and what they wish got more attention * Why they love covering the IP community, despite all the complexities * Impact of judges, public officials, and Bloomberg terminal users following their coverage The discussion reveals how much these journalists shape — and are shaped by — the IP world itself. They’re not just r...

Coke Morgan Stewart Ushers in New Era at USPTO

Apr 8, 2025 1 hr 5 min

PTO 'whistleblower' Julie Burke and patent prosecution guru Clint Mehall join Eli on the season finale of Clause 8 to break down what’s happening at the USPTO—and what’s still left to be done. On this episode, they discuss: *Insights from the Reddit r/patentexaminer thread *Previous and current plans to reduce the record patent application backlog *Should the USPTO withdraw patent eligibility example 47 for AI? *Previous administration’s decision to end AFCP program and ideas for variation of AFCP program to help reduce the backlog *Misguided priorities and personnel decisions during last administration *Improving morale and performance of examiners *Adjusting credit system & improving culture to help examiners identify allowable subject matter *Choice of Valencia Wallace Smith as Acting Commissioner for Patents *USPTO’s decision to deprioritize examination of continuation patent applications *USPTO rescinding memorandum for discretionary denials at PTAB and Director taking over handling of the requests for discretionary denials *Aligning post-grant proceedings at PTAB with mission of USPTO *Suggestions about switching to a registration system for patents that does not require examination And, much more! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Finding the Truth in Patent Valuations—Top 3 Experts Weigh In

Mar 25, 2025 1 hr 11 min

What is the actual value of patents? Inventors and companies invest millions in obtaining patents, believing they are valuable assets. Yet, their true worth is rarely quantified. For this episode of Clause 8, Eli Mazour brings together three of the most insightful experts in the patent valuation space: Michal Malkovich, Vice President at Charles River Associates; Alejandra Loaiza Delgado, Co-Founder and Managing Director at Econ Edge; and Mike Pellegrino, President and Founder of Pellegrino & Associates. Throughout this discussion, you’ll notice that despite their different experiences and perspectives, they share one goal: getting to the truth about patent valuation. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

How the World's Largest Patent Pool Connects Innovators and Implementers

Mar 11, 2025 46 min

Host Eli Mazour talks with Heath Hoglund, President of Via LA, to break down the role of patent pools in today’s innovation landscape. Tune in as they discuss: *The balance between licensors and licensees—and how Via LA acts as a bridge between them *Merger of Via Licensing and MPEG LA in 2003 to form Via LA *How Dolby’s strong brand helped it succeed with technology licensing *The challenges of starting a new patent pool program and what makes one successful *Future of patent pools *Heath’s story of founding Puerto Rico’s first IP boutique before becoming head of IP & standards at Dolby This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Exclusive: USPTO Union Head Hopeful & Working Well with Leadership

Feb 26, 2025 38 min

Kathy Duda is the President of The Patent Office Professional Association (POPA), which is the union representing USPTO patent examiners. On this episode, she discusses why she remains hopeful amidst current uncertainty around new return to office policies. In the episode, she also discusses: *Positive collaboration with Acting Director Coke Morgan Stewart Getting first involved with POPA after it helped her during her pregnancy Negotiating the first collective bargaining agreement (CBA) with the USPTO in 40 years Why she’s not getting a whole lot of sleep recently Examiners waiting for finality regarding decisions about being able to continue to work remotely Record backlog reached at the USPTO during last administration & work to bring it down Impact of AI & what examination might look like in 30 years Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

The Remaining Power of the US Patent System

Feb 11, 2025 56 min

Join Eli Mazour as he explores the vital role of the U.S. patent system in fostering innovation. Entrepreneur Patrick Murray shares his journey from ideation to patent acquisition with Radium Payments, emphasizing the importance of intellectual property in business validation. Lisa Mueller, host of the AUTM on the Air podcast, delves into tech transfer, revealing how universities push innovations from labs to marketplaces. This episode underscores patents as essential drivers of American entrepreneurship and academic innovation, providing a nuanced look at their ongoing impact on business and technology. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Right Choice for USPTO: Coke Morgan Stewart

Jan 28, 2025 28 min

In this special episode of Clause 8, Eli shares why Coke Morgan Stewart is the perfect person to lead the USPTO. Eli discusses why her selection excites him and the broader implications for the intellectual property field. Reflecting on past directorships and the challenges faced by the USPTO, Eli explores issues such as patent backlogs, Section 101 rejections, and PTAB policies. Highlighting Stewart's experiences and skills, Eli shares his optimism for positive changes under her leadership. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Choice of Next USPTO Director in the Shadow of Patents Saving Cantor Fitzgerald After 9/11

Dec 31, 2024 47 min

What better way to wrap up 2024 than a conversation around the future of the USPTO with David Boundy. David is one of the sharpest minds at the intersection of administrative law and intellectual property. Plus, during his tenure at Cantor Fitzgerald, David worked closely with its visionary CEO, Howard Lutnick, who is leading Trump’s transition team and Trump’s pick for Commerce Secretary. This episode includes David’s thoughts on: * Why the next USPTO Director should prioritize examination quality, efficiency, and public interest-driven rule-making. * Advocating for administrative practices that serve innovators better rather than prioritizing bureaucratic processes. * His time at Cantor Fitzgerald and what it’s like to work with Howard Lutnick. * Where he gets his personal passion for justice and belief in the patent system as a crucial engine for innovation and economic success. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Soft IP in the Start-up Nation with Ariel Dubinsky

Dec 17, 2024 38 min

Earlier this year, Eli had the opportunity to spend a day in Israel with Ariel Dubinsky, the founder and owner of Ariel Dubinsky Law Firm. While there, Eli learned that Ariel is at the heart of Israel’s dynamic intellectual property ecosystem. Ariel mainly focuses on trademarks and copyright, which is increasingly important for the so-called “Startup Nation” which saw a record breaking $10.5 billion in startup acquisitions just this year. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

What’s Keeping Corporate IP Leaders Awake These Days

Dec 3, 2024 28 min

In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour takes us behind the scenes of the Consero IP Forum, where he spoke with IP leaders about common pain points and solutions. Guests include: * Dimitri Kirimis, Lead Counsel at Cruise * Scott Miller, Chief IP Counsel at Zoetis * Joel Meyer, VP of IP and Innovation Strategy at Digimarc * Praveer Gupta, Director of Patents and Innovation Strategy at Uniphore This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Building an IP Strategy for the Final Frontier: A Conversation with Bridget Smith of Relativity Space 🚀

Nov 19, 2024 1 hr 0 min

This week’s Clause 8 episode features Bridget Smith, Assistant General Counsel and Director, Intellectual Property at Relativity Space—the first company to successfully create and launch a 3D-printed rocket. 🚀 Bridget, who previously made waves as a top PTAB practitioner, is now at the helm of IP strategy at Relativity Space, where she’s implementing an innovative approach to IP by using a trade secrets registry. In an industry that moves at light speed, Bridget’s focus on tracking and protecting proprietary know-how is as critical as her work with patents. In this episode: * How Bridget established a trade secrets registry that captures and protects a vast amount of innovation efficiently. * How the specific needs and exposure of the space industry affects Relativity Space’s balance of trade secrets and patents. * Why Bridget thinks of IP management as understanding what keeps business leaders up at night. * How she maintains adaptability and foresight when working with groundbreaking tech. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Exclusive: USPTO AI Co-Chairs Reassure Stakeholders on Guidance & Share Journey of Shaping USPTO's Approach to AI

Nov 5, 2024 39 min

Jerry Ma, Director of Emerging Technologies and Chief AI Officer, and Charles Kim, Deputy Commissioner for the USPTO tell story of co-chairing USPTO's AI working group - sharing insights on USPTO's AI tools guidance, applying §101 for AI-related inventions, and leveraging AI for examination. Together, the two co-lead a group working on AI efforts and according to Jerry are focused on “a human first vision for AI at the agency.” In the episode, host Eli Mazour explores how Jerry and Charles led USPTO’s efforts to deal with AI advancements on the policy front & leverage AI technology to improve USPTO’s own operations before ChatGPT was even a thing. The two leaders come from diverse backgrounds—Jerry with deep experience in Silicon Valley’s tech sector, and Charles with decades of IP and regulatory expertise at the USPTO. Selected Topics Start of USPTO’s AI working group, originally co-chaired by Charles Kim and Deputy Director Coke Morgan Stewart, to tackle §101/patent eligibility issues related to AI Expansion of AI working group to coordinate AI related activities across the USPTO, including exploring leveraging AI technology for patent examination Jerry Ma’s story of joining the USPTO from Silicon Valley to be Director of Emerging Technologies and taking on role as co-chair of working group How AI implementation at the USPTO relies on cross-disciplinary teams drawing expertise from law, technology, and policy Working groups’ efforts to engage with outside stakeholders through the AI/ET Partnership Series to create informed policies around AI and patent eligibility USPTO’s guidance on (1) use of AI-based tools, (2) AI-assisted inventions, and (3) AI subject matter eligibility and responses to related push-back USPTO’s current use of AI technology & future plans to further leverage AI technology to empower examiners Role of AI working group as AI becomes widely used within USPTO Advice for other organizations exploring implementation of AI This is a public episod...

IP Strategy at Walmart: Balancing Innovation, Protection, and Practicality in a Global Retail Giant

Oct 22, 2024 44 min

In the ever-evolving world of retail, where technology and innovation are reshaping the industry, managing intellectual property has never been more important. Sri Atluri, Walmart’s Chief IP Counsel, knows this all too well. In this episode of Clause 8 with host Eli Mazour, Sri emphasizes the critical balance between protecting innovations and fostering strategic growth within Walmart’s technological initiatives. She argues for the necessity of continual IP enforcement, detailing how both protection and litigation play essential roles in maintaining Walmart’s competitive advantage. Sri also discusses the evolving landscape of e-commerce and the challenges posed by Section 101 and patent eligibility. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Qualcomm's General Counsel Ann Chaplin on Patents Fueling Innovation

Oct 8, 2024 57 min

In this special episode of Clause 8, host Eli Mazour speaks with Ann Cathcart Chaplin at the Qualcomm Museum, which is right at the heart of Qualcomm’s headquarters in San Diego. Ann shares her journey from being an IP litigator to in-house counsel and from GM to Qualcomm. As General Counsel of Qualcomm, Ann oversees all legal matters for the world’s leading innovator of connectivity solutions. Before Qualcomm, she served in a variety of deputy general counsel roles at General Motors (GM). Ann spent most of her career prior to that focused on IP litigation, including as litigation practice group leader at one of the world’s biggest IP firms. Her leadership experience at a major auto company before joining Qualcomm provides her with a unique vantage point about the role of standard essential patents (SEPs), the relationship between cellular innovators like Qualcomm and auto companies, and the surrounding debates. From her beginnings in Minnesota, initial aspiration to become a public defender as a Harvard Law student, and eventual transition into IP litigation, Ann shares her unlikely journey. Now at Qualcomm, she touches on the challenges and opportunities of navigating IP issues in one of America's most significant and innovative tech companies, which relies heavily on a functioning IP system that promotes innovation. Ann Chaplin's transition from IP litigation at a law firm to in-house counsel at GM is a significant highlight of this episode. She discusses adapting her IP litigation skills to address GM's pressing legal concerns, including for diverse fields such as product liability, class actions, and corporate governance,. Ann's role at Qualcomm involves overseeing IP and licensing, emphasizing its critical role in driving innovation. Her key concerns include attacks on the patent system and the need for policies that support sustainable R&D investments. Check out the full VIDEO Interview on Voice of IP Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like...

Avanci Vehicle President Laurie Fitzgerald on Building SEP's Field of Dreams

Sep 24, 2024 50 min

Laurie Fitzgerald joins Eli to tell the story of how she led Avanci to an 8-year overnight success. Avanci’s pioneering efforts to provide an efficient, simpler option for the automotive industry to license cellular SEPs are now widely heralded as one of the greatest stories of successful innovation in the patent world. Laurie, who has been with Avanci since 2018, shares her journey and the strategic decisions behind the one-stop shop licensing platform that now boasts participation from 70 licensors and 100 automotive brands. The discussion highlights how Avanci navigated the complexities of linking cellular innovators with automotive manufacturers, detailing how they established a uniform licensing fee and why this model works efficiently for both licensors and licensees. They discuss the role of independent patent evaluations, the challenges of negotiating acceptable agreements among varied stakeholders, the process for determining royalty allocations, and what others can learn from Avanci about how the private sector can provide efficient solutions for SEP licensing. Disclaimer This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

Alec Sorensen on Keeping IP Rembrandts Out of the Attic

Sep 10, 2024 39 min

What is the value of protecting intellectual property (IP)? That’s the fundamental question that most Chief IP Counsel need time to answer to help their companies succeed. However, they’re often bogged down by the daily demands of leading teams that are doing what’s necessary to make sure that they’re obtaining the necessary IP protection. When they do have a chance to pose and answer that question to business executives, they quickly realize that those business executives are concerned with more pressing issues. When they succeed and those business executives start getting excited about the potential value of protecting IP, in-house counsel has the added responsibility of making sure they can follow-through. In this episode of Clause 8, Eli sits down with the founder & CEO of Tradespace, Alec Sorensen, to discuss potential strategies for in-house counsel facing these challenges. Alec talks about how he first discovered these challenges of in-house IP counsel while being asked to wade through messy IP portfolios of acquired companies as a management consultant. He explains how he was able to facilitate over $250 million in commercialization deals in that role and how that led him to found Tradespace to help in-house counsel set up their companies for similar success. Eli and Alec explore the complexities of IP development and the potential to unlock hidden value in patent portfolios, how and when to communicate with the C-suite about IP, how IP teams can get other parts of the company become champions for its role, the role that commercialization plays for Tradespace tools, and much more! Selected Topics * How lean, efficient IP teams are able to contribute to business success * IP team demands leading to lack of business relationships * Handling analysis paralysis in IP with analytics * Strategic IP questions for a new CEO * Successful IP strategies for universities * Role of AI in empowering IP decision-making * Risk of AI diminishing human judgement * Advice for...

Re-Release: The Great 101 Debate

Sep 3, 2024 1 hr 6 min

We’re looking forward to sharing new episodes from this season starting next Tuesday, including special video episodes on www.VoiceOfIP.com and a series of interviews with the most significant corporate IP leaders in America. In the meantime, we wanted to share episodes released this summer: Former USPTO Director Andrei Iancu and HTIA’s David Jones found a surprising amount of agreement regarding Section 101 on the first ever Clause 8 debate Iancu & Jones Debate Section 101 and Find Common Ground Federal Circuit Judge Timothy Dyk shed light on what’s going on at the court by discussing his memoir, Timothy B. Dyk: The Education of a Federal Judge Judge Dyk Defends Today's Federal Circuit RNA Law’s cofounders - Rob Rodriguez and Tatiana Alves - discussed everything you need to know about Brazil’s booming patent system Brazil Becoming the Mecca for Patent Enforcement & Chief IP Counsel Seeking Valuable Patents Erich Spangenberg shared the secrets to his success - "very few people want to start out wearing the black hat. I just embraced it" . . . and his plans for IPwe Erich Spangenberg on How to Succeed in Patent Monetization Chief IP Counsel at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and former General Patent Counsel at Eli Lilly - revealed why Eli Lilly slashed its patent filings and talked about how the administration’s march-in proposal is already scaring away pharma companies from pursuing promising treatments Moneyball for Pharma Patents with Chief IP Counsel Steve Caltrider Florian Mueller - currently of IP Fray and formerly of FOSS Patents blog - kicked of this season by sharing his remarkable journey from leading a major fight against pro-software patent legislation in Europe to becoming one of the most influential voices in the IP world IP Fray's Legendary Publisher on What Will Happen with EU's SEP Regulation & AI’s Impact on Patent Law *Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and is intended as a general overview. The podca...

Judge Dyk Defends Today's Federal Circuit

Aug 20, 2024 41 min

Federal Circuit Judge Timothy Dyk discusses his memoir and provides priceless insights into how the Federal Circuit is operating today - 42 years after it was created in 1982 and 24 years after Dyk was confirmed to serve on it in 2000. This episode explores Dyk's perspectives on judges serving together at the Federal Circuit. His reflections and anecdotes offer a unique glimpse into the workings of the Federal Circuit, the decision-making process of a seasoned appellate judge, and various debates surrounding the Federal Circuit and judges retiring. Dyk was nominated to the Federal Circuit in 1998 by President Bill Clinton after clerking for Earl Warren at the Supreme Court and a distinguished career as an appellate attorney at the law firms of Wilmer Cutler and Jones Day. Selected Topics: * First introduction to patent law: office linoleum floors & yacht named Pat Pending * Role of chief judges setting court dynamics * Collegiality, dissents, and importance of individual personalities & relationships among judges * Judge Dyk's process for considering cases before oral arguments * Dyk’s defense of Rule 36 decisions and insights into other Federal Circuit practices * Panel dependency & skepticism of empirical scholarship related to judicial decisions * Former clerks arguing cases before judges they clerked for * Providing additional jurisdiction to Federal Circuit * Cameras in federal courtrooms & privacy in intra-court deliberations * Judicial retirement decisions and importance of humility * Advice for effective oral and written advocacy before the Federal Circuit, including for amicus briefs Notable, Quotable: Biggest challenge "I think the biggest challenge for any Federal Circuit Judge in patent cases in particular is is dealing with the technology . . . getting the help that you need to understand the technology. It’s really hard. And we need help from the bar, we need help from our clerks, and we need to be willing to spend a lot of time to wade through it." R...

Brazil Becoming the Mecca for Patent Enforcement & Chief IP Counsel Seeking Valuable Patents

Aug 6, 2024 47 min

Clause 8 Podcast Show Notes Rob Rodrigues and Tatiana Alves - Brazil’s go-to attorneys for strong patent protection and effective enforcement - join Eli to talk about founding RNA Law and offer insider perspectives on successfully navigating the Brazilian patent system. Rob discusses how Brazil’s large market size and the predictability of obtaining injunctions is attracting foreign businesses looking for robust patent protection. He also talks about how Brazil is becoming an even more favorable venue for patent litigation because, with more cases being filed, the knowledge level of judges and the predictability of court rulings are also improving. The discussion also provides a comprehensive overview of: * the examination process at the Brazilian patent office, * the possibility of leveraging European and US patent grants for faster approval, * opposition proceedings, * the nuances of securing injunctions, and * pursuing patent protection in Brazil as part of a broader global IP strategy. **Bonus segment at the end: Eli ruminates on the founding of RNA Law coinciding with the rising significance of patents in Brazil. He then discusses the related trend of sophisticated chief patent counsel focusing on obtaining valuable patents that actually meet their companies’ strategic goals in the US. Selected Takeaways: * Integrated legal-technical strategies significantly enhance the success rate in patent litigation within Brazil. * The Brazilian patent office is becoming more efficient, though the examination process can still be lengthy, particularly in the telecom sector. * Pharma patent applications face more scrutiny in Brazil but that can be navigated effectively with the right strategy. * Obtaining injunctions - including ex-parte injunctions - in Brazil is feasible and can be a powerful tool in patent enforcement, though it is highly dependent on the specifics of each case. Notable, Quotable "Judges in Brazil are very much concerned about getting it right. The...

Iancu & Jones Debate Section 101 and Find Common Ground

Jul 23, 2024 1 hr 6 min

Clause 8 favorites - former USPTO Director Andrei Iancu and HTIA’s David Jones - return for the first ever Clause 8 debate! They debate Section 101, find common ground, and discuss possible paths forward for improving the state of patent eligibility in America. Selected Topics * Impact of Federal Circuit’s State Street decision: "golden age of business method patents” * Supreme Court’s Section 101 decisions: Bilski, Mayo, Myriad, and Alice * Iancu’s role & thoughts about Ariosa v. Sequenom * Why Jones was concerned after Alice and what changed his mind * Federal Circuit’s handling of Section 101 after Alice * Agreement regarding the USPTO’s 2019 Revised Patent Eligibility Guidance * 77% Rate of Section 101 Rejections in USPTO's AI Tech Group * Whether the Patent Eligibility Restoration Act (PERA) is a step toward a successful compromise in Congress * Possible adoption of EPO’s approach to patent eligibility Notable, Quotable "Patents are not just any other area of law. Patents are legal instruments, of course, but they're also commercial instruments." - Iancu "What I think we disagree on is you don't think that the sky is falling when it comes to 101 . . . as is in the United States now, I do think the sky is falling." -Iancu "Let's make the law clearer. Clearer law is always better." -Jones *Disclaimer: This podcast is provided for general informational purposes only and is intended as a general overview. The podcast does not constitute legal advice nor solicitation to provide legal services. It is not meant to convey a legal position, nor is it intended to convey specific legal advice. The opinions expressed are solely my own and those of any guests and do not express the views or opinions of any organization with which I or the guests are affiliated. In some jurisdictions, the contents of this podcasts may be considered Attorney Advertising. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, vis...

Erich Spangenberg on How to Succeed in Patent Monetization

Jul 9, 2024 42 min

His critics have called him “one of the most notorious patent trolls in America.” Many others have tried and failed to emulate his success. However, it’s hard to deny that Erich Spangenberg is in many ways a singular visionary in the world of patents. If there are celebrities in the patent world, it’s Erich Spangenberg. Thanks for reading Voice of IP! Subscribe for free to receive updates. As the founder of IPNav, he completed over 1000 licensing transactions - worth billions of dollars. To the surprise of many, he then joined forces with hedge fund manager Kyle Bass to challenge pharma patents under the AIA. More recently, he founded IPwe - a blockchain-based platform for patent transactions. On this episode, Erich shares the story of how being sued for patent infringement by Ronald Katz led him to embrace the patent monetization field. He also shares his strategies for successful patent assertion, his candid perspective on being labeled a “patent troll,” why big corporations wanted him to work for them, what he thinks the role of generative AI will be for IP, his plans for IPwe after its bankruptcy, and much more! Key Takeaways: * Innovative Approach to Patent Assertion: Erich Spangenberg's strategies involve early information sharing and comprehensive presentations to inform and engage potential infringers. * Learning from the Best: Insights gained from industry veterans like Ron Katz and applying asset management principles, rather than merely advocating, have been keys to Erich’s success in patent monetization. * Impact of America Invents Act (AIA): Addressing the ramifications of AIA, Erich explains how his collaboration with Kyle Bass aimed to showcase its flaws and its current role in pharma patent challenges. * Future of Patent Transactions: Despite challenges, Erich remains optimistic about utilizing blockchain and AI for creating an efficient marketplace for patents. Notable Quotable: "Not every patent asset is a great one. As a matter of fact, the va...

Moneyball for Pharma Patents with Chief IP Counsel Steve Caltrider

Jun 25, 2024 1 hr 0 min

Why does an $850 billion pharma company obtain only 50 patents per year? Steve Caltrider, Chief IP Counsel at Dana Farber Cancer Institute, brings over 35 years of experience building valuable pharma patent portfolios and championing patent policies that promote innovation. Before Dana Farber, Steve rose to the role of General Patent Counsel at Eli Lilly. Steve has also served on the USPTO's Public Patent Advisory Committee and is currently the Chair of the ABA Section of IP Law. In this episode, Steve shares the story of why and how he relied on data to reduce Eli Lilly’s patent portfolio, and explains why obtaining less patents is likely the better strategy for many large companies. He also discusses the critical role of IP in getting medical innovations to patients, the potentially catastrophic impact of the administration’s march-in proposal, and his take on various developing patent policy issues. Selected Topics * IP’s indispensable role in commercialization * Section 101 mess hindering development of diagnostics & potentially reducing drug costs * Data-driven patent strategies in the pharmaceutical industry * Impact of excessive USPTO fees on start-ups and smaller companies * How IP strategy differs at academic research institutions versus major pharmaceutical companies * Successfully navigating a career in patent law as in-house counsel * Role of outside counsel * Why all patent attorneys should pay attention to patent policy developments Notable, Quotable On the role of IP in ensuring that medical research reaches patients “It’s roughly a billion dollars to develop that drug and actually make it accessible to patients as a drug. No one’s going to make that investment without IP. My role at the institute is to protect that discovery so that somebody will make that investment. Without the investment, it’s just going to sit in the laboratory and it’s not going to go anywhere and it won’t reach patients.” On the impact of march-in proposal on non profits like D...

IP Fray's Legendary Publisher on What Will Happen with EU's SEP Regulation & AI’s Impact on Patent Law

Jun 11, 2024 1 hr 5 min

Florian Mueller shares his remarkable journey from leading a major fight against pro-software patent legislation in Europe to becoming one of the most influential voices in the IP world. For over a decade, his FOSS Patents blog became the go-to destination for anyone who wanted to follow developments related to standard-essential patents (SEPs). After a brief hiatus, Florian recently reemerged as the publisher of ip fray, which is quickly starting to play the role for all of IP that FOSS previously played for SEPs. Drawing on his extensive background, Florian provides fascinating insights about what led to the European Union’s controversial SEP proposal, the potential outcomes, and the burgeoning influence of AI on patent law. He also shares the story of why and how Real Madrid came to him asking for help along the way. Key Topics: * How German court decisions and other alleged dynamics led to EU’s pending SEP proposal * Problems with EU’s pending SEP proposal * How the rest of the process is likely to play out at the EU & related strategies * Why innovators are at a disadvantage in the debate * Shifting views of different tech companies regarding SEPs over time * Role of patent pools/platforms in the SEP battles * Impact of AI This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

IBM's Chief Patent Counsel for Americas Mark Vallone on Changing Patent Portfolio Strategy

Mar 28, 2024 54 min

For almost 30 years - under the leadership of giants like Marshall Phelps, David Kappos, and Manny Schechter, IBM led in obtaining the most patents per year. However, in 2020, IBM made the decision to no longer pursue the goal of “numeric patent leadership.” It went from obtaining over 8500 patents in 2021 to, by some counts, less than 5000. Nonetheless, IBM remains one of the top American patentees. Mark Vallone joins Eli to discuss how he stepped into one of the most significant roles in the patent world last year while this dramatic shift in IBM’s patent strategy was taking place. Thanks for reading Voice of IP! Subscribe for free to receive updates. On this episode, Mark talks about how IBM's heritage of innovation and patent leadership informs its decisions. He also provides an in-depth perspective on why and how IBM transitioned away from numeric leadership goals and toward a more balanced, quality-focused approach. The episode provides thought-provoking insights into the challenges of growing and managing a vast IP portfolio, including the value of incentive programs for inventors and the mechanics behind strategic patent portfolio pruning decisions. Key Topics: * Succeeding as in-house counsel * IBM's Strategic Shift - departing from their numeric patent leadership goal to focus on patent quality and aligning with their current business model. * Portfolio Management - detailed advice on pruning patent portfolios, including strategies for maintenance fees and monetization. * Hybrid Model - how and why IBM uses both in-house and outside counsel for patent preparation and prosecution work * Harnessing AI in Patenting - the future role of generative AI in improving quality of patent applications and the productivity of patent drafters, and the importance of cautious adoption considering legal and ethical implications Notable, Quotable On continued role of numeric goals "I don't think you abandon numbers. I think they're certainly a part of the calculus, and...

Chief Counsel John Lee on Bicameral, Bipartisan Efforts to Advance Section 101 & PTAB Legislation

Mar 14, 2024 1 hr 18 min

J. John Lee is the Chief Counsel for IP in the US House of Representatives and helms the House Subcommittee on Courts, Intellectual Property, and the Internet, which is chaired by Congressman Darrell Issa. In that role, he is one of only four staffers in Congress who focus on IP issues and help set the agenda for what happens with America’s IP system. John joins Eli on this lively episode to discuss how he ended up in that role after serving as a Lead Judge on the PTAB, how he is currently working closely with the other IP staffers in Congress to advance legislation to fix Section 101 and the PTAB, what it will take for Section 101 legislation to pass, why broad consensus is necessary for IP legislation, what’s driving the bitter disagreements over IP issues, and much more! The episode was recorded at the end of last year. If you know anyone else who might be interested to learn what changes might be in store for patent law or how the patent policy sausage is made in Washington, please share with others: Selected Timestamps | 0:04:52 | How John Lee became Chief Counsel for IP in the House of Representatives | | 0:08:05 | John Lee's role as Chief Counsel for IP and his relationship with Issa and Judiciary Chair Jim Jordan | | 0:10:18 | John Lee's experience stepping into his role on the Hill | | 0:12:13 | Making positive impressions on IP staffers in Congress | | 0:16:04 | Trajectory of patent system over last 20 years | | 0:24:52 | Proposal to exercise march-in rights under the Bay-Dole Act | | 0:31:27 | Administration’s failure to build consensus on - and widespread congressional opposition to - proposals to waive & seize IP rights| | 0:33:26 | Uncertainty and lack of administration policy on standard essential patents (SEPs)| | 0:38:08 | The need to protect US leadership in technology and innovation | | 0:39:19 | Concerns about the state of Section 101 and the weaknesses of the patent system | | 0:44:04 | How patent system creates an innovation engine by encou...

Europe's New Unified Patent Court: Exclusive Interview with Judge Michael Fleuchaus

Feb 29, 2024 55 min

In this special two-part episode, we delve into the creation, implementation, and strategic importance of Europe's Unified Patent Court (UPC) with UPC Judge Michael Fleuchaus and Dr. Benjamin Grau. The first part of the show highlights Judge Fleuchaus' experience as a newly appointed technical qualified judge at the UPC. Judge Fleuchaus discusses the motivations behind the UPC's establishment and overarching goal to streamline patent litigation across the European Union. He also discusses his role as a technical judge working alongside experienced legally qualified judges and shares the perspective they bring to handling cases together at the UPC. This segment provides priceless insights about how UPC proceedings differ from patent litigation within and outside of Europe and how litigants can maximize their chances of success at the UPC. In the latter part of the episode, Dr. Grau provides a distinct viewpoint as a European patent attorney closely observing the UPC. Dr. Grau casts light on the myths and practicalities surrounding opting in or out of the UPC and gives valuable advice on how to leverage the UPC to obtain the best possible patent protection in Europe. Dr. Grau's perspective is crucial for those interested in understanding the strategic considerations that come into play with the UPC's inception. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.voiceofip.com

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Created by: Eli Mazour
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Latest episode: Nov 10, 2026
Episodes: 106
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Avg. episode length: 54 min
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