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38 min
Anthony interviews Katie about how AI has changed the practice of building and maintaining design systems. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
35 min
Anthony and Katie chat about what makes software opinionated or flexible and offer some examples of products. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
57 min
Anthony and Katie chat about articles written about Cursor's new icon designs. Original article: https://www.minoradventures.co/blog/the-making-of-cursors-icons Interview with Marek: https://www.casestudy.club/marek-minor-interview Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45 min
How does simplicity differ from minimalism or complexity? Tune in to find out. Articles/books mentioned: Simple web design Anthony's notes on Simplicity Simplicity by Per Mollerup Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
29 min
Anthony and Katie each pick a few interface elements that are really pulling their weight, perhaps more than they should be. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
46 min
Anthony and Katie discuss starting new roles and the process of getting up to speed with visual design styles you may not yet be familiar with. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
56 min
Talks discussed: Out of sync, on purpose: desktop design after mobile wonThe canvas is not dead ft. Catt Small (Dropbox)The invisible mechanisms in your interfaces ft. Johannes Mutter (mutter.co)Dense by design ft. Matthew Ström-Awn (mu.design)Usernames on Instagram: how a craft fix became an identity crisisEveryone's still eating: building Notion's design system Anthony's blog post: https://anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230428 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
58 min
Anthony and Katie chat with returning guest Jamie Mill about this elements of product design diagram and how he's transferred that concept into an AI agent skill. Check out Jamie's first episode with us, episode 53, for more context on the concepts discussed today. Jamie's elements of product design: https://jamiemill.com/blog/2021-07-10-elements-of-product-design/ Layer's skill: https://layers.jamiemill.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
41 min
Anthony and Katie analyze two versions of an AI generated issue tracking interface. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
50 min
Katie and Anthony are joined by Michael Aufreiter, an expert in all things text editing. It turns out that text editing is quite a complex interaction, enough so that we could have gone on another hour discussing it. Check out Michael's work: https://svedit.devhttps://editable.website Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
37 min
After years of intentionally not discussing career advice, today's the day. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
39 min
Anthony and Katie discuss some interface quality of life improvements. You'll have to go find Anthony's blog post on the topic yourself. We believe in you. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
48 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by designer Laura Sinisterra, a visual designer with a unique mathematical, geometric style. We chat about her visual style, how she might define it and what inspired it. Check out Laura's website: https://laurasinisterra.com/ Follow on X: https://x.com/Lauracsc_ Links mentioned: https://www.are.na/ https://x.com/visakanv Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45 min
Anthony and Katie allow themselves a cheeky little rant about the topic on everyone's mind, AI. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
44 min
Anthony and Katie discuss Nikita Prokopov's "It's hard to justify Tahoe icons". Article link: https://tonsky.me/blog/tahoe-icons/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52 min
Anthony and Katie discuss Scott Jenson's talk titled "Are we stuck with the same desktop UX forever" Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fZTOjd_bOQ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
59 min
Anthony and Katie each bring some famous design phrases to discuss. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
49 min
Sometimes interfaces mimic physical materials like paper or metal. Anthony and Katie discuss why this might be, what kinds of materials seem most common and how this has shifted over time. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Design Technologist: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
48 min
Anthony and Katie compare things that feel easy to design vs. hard. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
49 min
Anthony and Katie share ways to use AI in your design practice that don't involve code or generative images. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
53 min
Anthony and Katie share some of their favorite design assets. Links mentioned: https://blush.design/ https://nucleoapp.com/ https://tabler.io/icons https://feathericons.com/ https://thenounproject.com/ https://www.streamlinehq.com/ https://klim.co.nz/ https://wakamaifondue.com/ https://simplebits.shop/collections/fonts https://open-props.style/ https://fontawesome.com/ https://phosphoricons.com/ https://connary.com/fonts/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 5 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by Andreas Møller, co-founder of Nordcraft. Nordcraft aims to bring design and development closer together, and as you can imagine Andreas has a unique perspective on design tools. What happens to "hand-off" when designers can get their ideas 90% there? Find Andreas on Bluesky Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 15 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by Virginia Howlett, author of Visual Interface Design for Windows and one of the first interface designers at Microsoft. Virginia is also an artist, and her paintings can be found on her website https://www.virginiahowlett.com/. We discuss what it was like being a designer 30 years ago (spoiler: some things haven't changed!), the connection between graphic design and interface design, and what it was like pioneering design decisions that we take for granted today. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 12 min
Anthony and Katie answer a few listener questions. Questions asked: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1961014039368110395 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
47 min
Anthony and Katie attempt to define big vs. small software, and then compare the two. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 10 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by Lance Willett, Chief Quality Officer at Automattic. There's a lot packed into this hour long conversation, but a few things we touch on are: - Measuring and championing quality in distributed teams - Navigating feedback culture and team dynamics - Balancing craft, context, and care in product development Hardik Pandya tweet Anthony mentioned: https://x.com/hvpandya/status/1949733270897188935 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52 min
Anthony and Katie discuss the elements of previous MacOS versions that stand out most. Inspired by: https://aresluna.org/frame-of-preference Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
47 min
Anthony and Katie chat about Apple's Liquid Glass. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 2 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by HCI PhD candidate Matt Beaudouin-Lafon at UCSD, and discuss how HCI research intersects with industry product design. Links mentioned: Matt's work on Color FieldInk & SwitchTextoshopCreativity Support Tools paper from Ben Shneiderman Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
37 min
Anthony and Katie chat about Material 3 Expressive. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
49 min
Anthony and Katie chat about Config 2025. Talks mentioned: Writing is designing The maximalist theory of minimalism Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by design engineer Alex Krasikov to discuss .. you guessed it, design engineering. Alex Krasikov: https://x.com/alex_krasikau Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
51 min
Anthony and Katie discuss navigation patterns. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
40 min
Anthony and Katie define the process of decision making as it relates to design. Anthony's post: https://x.com/hobdaydesign/status/1904449738084094138 Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45 min
Anthony and Katie discuss some differences and similarities between design and development. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
1 hr 4 min
Anthony and Katie are joined by Jamie Mill to discuss his post on the elements of product design. Jamie Mill: https://jamiemill.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
40 min
Anthony and Katie each pick their top 3 most loved design techniques in the spirit of Valentine's Day. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42 min
Anthony and Katie discuss the book Do Design: Why Beauty is the Key to Everything by Alan Moore. Do Design: https://thedobook.co/products/do-design-why-beauty-is-key-to-everything?Format=Paperback Anthony's list of short design books: https://www.anthonyhobday.com/blog/20230101.html Dan Luu: Willingness to look stupid Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
54 min
Anthony and Katie discuss what it takes to start designing something from scratch compared to working on an existing product, and the upsides/downsides of both. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
52 min
Katie, Anthony and special guest Guy discuss design folklore: what it is, where it might come from, and how to best use it in your design practices. Guy Segal: https://www.linkedin.com/in/guysegal Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
35 min
Anthony and Katie bring on the holiday vibes by discussing the past, present and future of software design. Bah humbug! New design systems podcast Katie mentioned: On Theme Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45 min
Designers and developers that have influenced us. The folks we mentioned: Stephanie Eckles Andy Bell Brad Frost Elizabeth Goodspeed Frank Chimero David Pye Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
59 min
What does it really mean to design for developers? Should you cater to power users or beginners? Anthony, Katie and Nate discuss this (and more) with lots of spicy takes and speculation. Nate Butler: https://nate.cv/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43 min
What are the different kinds of constraints and how do they impact design? Anthony and Katie break it down into several types of constraints including: arbitrary, technical, principled, and convenient. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
58 min
Jared Spool joins Anthony and Katie to discuss what it means to be a strategic designer. We cover what strategy means, different leadership styles, and the difference between outcomes vs outputs. Find Jared Spool on Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jmspool/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
40 min
What's the difference between customization and personalization in interface design? Anthony and Katie discuss this along with the benefits/downsides of designing for customization. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
45 min
It's a ranty one folks. What is performative design, and why does it exist? Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
43 min
Anthony shares a quote to define elegance vs. extravagance as "do a lot with a little vs. a lot with a lot". Katie and Anthony discuss how this relates to interface design and the impact it has on interaction design and product longevity. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
42 min
How might designers learning how to code impact interface design? Enjoy this extremely reasonable conversation between Katie and Anthony. Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
56 min
Anthony, Katie and special guest Maggie Appleton speculate about how AI could impact interface design in the future. The five possible futures we discussed: AI replaces designers and developers completely AI produces a rough draft, a designer “tidies it up” AI builds the interface out of supplied components and a description of how the interface works AI produces content/components on demand, designers change it to suit, then put the interface together Designers ask AI focused questions to get inspiration You can find Maggie on Twitter or on the web at https://maggieappleton.com/ Hosts: Anthony Hobday, Generalist Product Designer: https://twitter.com/hobdaydesign Katie Langerman, Systems Designer: https://twitter.com/KatieLangerman
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