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You've been the person your organization couldn't function without. You've trained the people who got promoted past you. You've watched a consultant walk in and bill $12K for a strategy you could have written in your sleep. Fracture is the podcast for nonprofit professionals who are done building other people's organizations - and ready to build their own Fractional Consulting practice. We're talking 3 anchor clients. 6-figure income. 12-month retainers that give you stability without a boss. A consulting business built around your expertise, your terms, and your life. All the while serving the nonprofit organizations you love and built your career around. Hosted by Cindy Wagman - founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network and former in-house fundraiser turned consultant - each episode cuts through the noise on what fractional consulting in the nonprofit sector actually looks like. The model. The money. The clients. The parts nobody wants to say out loud in a LinkedIn post. No hustle-culture nonsense. No bro-marketing. Just real talk from someone who built a six-figure fractional practice and then helped 100+ nonprofit professionals do the same. New episodes every other week. Hit subscribe.

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E18: $111K Booked in One Month After a Year of Drought - Nel Taylor

36 min

At 14, Nel Taylor was living on the streets of Portland, hula hooping for cash at the Saturday Market. A circus school for unhoused youth recruited them, helped them get housed - and then started parading their story out at galas. One event manager told them that if they cried during the appeal, people were 30% more likely to give. Today, Nel runs Now This Consulting, sits on the North American Council of Community-Centric Fundraising, and leads with their history on purpose. Nel was one of the standout speakers at Cindy's Fractional/Shift summit, so they're back to go deeper. They talk about why a public past works like a bat signal for the right clients, and what happened when a contract blew up in January and DEI budgets dried up: almost no income until August. Then Nel tried everything - journaling, affirmations, a deal with the universe, a lot of generosity - and booked six projects worth $111,000 in a single month. Now they have a waitlist, and a whole new set of problems to figure out. Ideas worth stealing Your full story filters clients for you. The people who'd say no never show up, so you never lose them.Affirmations work better when you write what you want to be true, not when you dig through what's wrong with you.Give without keeping score. Ask "what do you have going on, and how can I share it?" - then share it.Say what you're waiting on. Telling prospects you have one spot and other proposals out made saying no easier - and turned one no into a January deposit.About Nel Nel Taylor (they/them) is an organizational equity strategist and ethical fundraising consultant with 15+ years in nonprofits. As Founder and Steward of Now This Consulting, they help organizations put anti-racist principles into everyday operations and fundraising - or as Nel puts it, "I'm just out here trying to Indigenize the nonprofit sector." Resources mentioned Now This Consulting - Nel's workshops and newsletterCommunity-Centric FundraisingDenise Duffield-Thomas - Nel's pick on m...

E17: Community Over Competition in a Broken Sector - Frank Velásquez Jr.

33 min

Frank Velásquez Jr. walked into the nonprofit sector in 2017 as a first-time executive director with zero fundraising background. He went to a conference, picked up donor-centric fundraising tactics, and sent an appeal letter that reduced one of his adult students to her hardships - all in the name of a donation. That letter still shapes his work. Today, as founder of 4 Da Hood, he helps leaders and organizations tell their stories with authenticity, courage and joy. Cindy and Frank get into the love-hate relationship so many of us have with this sector: why it's worth staying, how consultants can push for change from that outside-but-not-quite position, and why "the work before the work" matters more than we admit. Then they get to the fun part - joy. Conference karaoke, sneaking a friend's husband into a party, and Frank's "joy only zone," a practice rooted in the tradition of Black joy that resets a room before the work starts. Ideas worth stealing Do the work before the work. Pause, process and set shared agreements before you jump into a project.Pay it forward. One "want to co-present with me?" turned into a deep friendship and a string of collaborations.Networking is a depth game. Skip the business-card blitz, find the small table and stay there (introverts, this one's for you).About Frank Frank Velásquez Jr. is the founder of 4 Da Hood and the visionary behind the Ascending Leaders in Color program. A storyteller and speaker at AFP ICON, AFP Lead and beyond, he helps leaders of color step into their power with unapologetic joy. Resources mentioned 4 Da Hood - Frank's storytelling and leadership workFree conversation: replace your nonprofit salary with 3 clients a yearConnect with Frank: Website | LinkedIn | 4 Da Hood on LinkedIn About Fracture Fracture is the podcast for nonprofit professionals who are done building other people's organizations. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, each episode delivers real talk on building a...

16: Would You Like Fries With That: Upselling Fractional - Jessye Kass Karlin

38 min

Jessye Kass Karlin, founder of Riverwalker Talent, built a nonprofit recruitment and fractional HR practice on a simple habit: once she's under the hood of a search, she asks if the client wants more support. One recruitment contract turned into a three-year fractional partnership that eventually rebuilt 20% of an organization's team. Jessye and Cindy dig into the contract language she uses to head off scope creep before it starts, including built-in communication agreements and response-time commitments, and the sliding-scale pricing model that lets her serve smaller-budget nonprofits without discounting her own expertise. She's also candid about the boundary-setting she didn't have in her first two years, when she answered client emails at midnight, and what shifted once she treated boundaries as contract terms instead of personal willpower. Key Takeaways A single recruitment search can become a longer fractional partnership - Jessye's approach is to offer the expanded scope once she understands the organization's real needs, not to lead with it.Boundaries work better written into the contract than held as a personal intention - Jessye's contracts spell out response times, business hours, and communication norms up front.Scope creep is rarely intentional. Offering a client two or three priced options for added work, instead of a flat yes or no, makes the trade-offs visible and keeps the relationship collaborative.Reframing a pricing conversation as "can we collaborate on a solution" instead of "you'll need to pay more" changes how clients receive it. Guest Bio Jessye Kass Karlin is the founder of Riverwalker Talent, a nonprofit recruitment and fractional HR firm. She spent 15 years in direct nonprofit service, including as an executive director, before building her firm from a solo recruiting practice into a team of consultants. Resources + Links Riverwalker Talent Connect with Jessye Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to ch...

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E18: $111K Booked in One Month After a Year of Drought - Nel Taylor

36 min

At 14, Nel Taylor was living on the streets of Portland, hula hooping for cash at the Saturday Market. A circus school for unhoused youth recruited them, helped them get housed - and then started parading their story out at galas. One event manager told them that if they cried during the appeal, people were 30% more likely to give. Today, Nel runs Now This Consulting, sits on the North American Council of Community-Centric Fundraising, and leads with their history on purpose. Nel was one of the standout speakers at Cindy's Fractional/Shift summit, so they're back to go deeper. They talk about why a public past works like a bat signal for the right clients, and what happened when a contract blew up in January and DEI budgets dried up: almost no income until August. Then Nel tried everything - journaling, affirmations, a deal with the universe, a lot of generosity - and booked six projects worth $111,000 in a single month. Now they have a waitlist, and a whole new set of problems to figure out. Ideas worth stealing Your full story filters clients for you. The people who'd say no never show up, so you never lose them.Affirmations work better when you write what you want to be true, not when you dig through what's wrong with you.Give without keeping score. Ask "what do you have going on, and how can I share it?" - then share it.Say what you're waiting on. Telling prospects you have one spot and other proposals out made saying no easier - and turned one no into a January deposit.About Nel Nel Taylor (they/them) is an organizational equity strategist and ethical fundraising consultant with 15+ years in nonprofits. As Founder and Steward of Now This Consulting, they help organizations put anti-racist principles into everyday operations and fundraising - or as Nel puts it, "I'm just out here trying to Indigenize the nonprofit sector." Resources mentioned Now This Consulting - Nel's workshops and newsletterCommunity-Centric FundraisingDenise Duffield-Thomas - Nel's pick on m...

E17: Community Over Competition in a Broken Sector - Frank Velásquez Jr.

33 min

Frank Velásquez Jr. walked into the nonprofit sector in 2017 as a first-time executive director with zero fundraising background. He went to a conference, picked up donor-centric fundraising tactics, and sent an appeal letter that reduced one of his adult students to her hardships - all in the name of a donation. That letter still shapes his work. Today, as founder of 4 Da Hood, he helps leaders and organizations tell their stories with authenticity, courage and joy. Cindy and Frank get into the love-hate relationship so many of us have with this sector: why it's worth staying, how consultants can push for change from that outside-but-not-quite position, and why "the work before the work" matters more than we admit. Then they get to the fun part - joy. Conference karaoke, sneaking a friend's husband into a party, and Frank's "joy only zone," a practice rooted in the tradition of Black joy that resets a room before the work starts. Ideas worth stealing Do the work before the work. Pause, process and set shared agreements before you jump into a project.Pay it forward. One "want to co-present with me?" turned into a deep friendship and a string of collaborations.Networking is a depth game. Skip the business-card blitz, find the small table and stay there (introverts, this one's for you).About Frank Frank Velásquez Jr. is the founder of 4 Da Hood and the visionary behind the Ascending Leaders in Color program. A storyteller and speaker at AFP ICON, AFP Lead and beyond, he helps leaders of color step into their power with unapologetic joy. Resources mentioned 4 Da Hood - Frank's storytelling and leadership workFree conversation: replace your nonprofit salary with 3 clients a yearConnect with Frank: Website | LinkedIn | 4 Da Hood on LinkedIn About Fracture Fracture is the podcast for nonprofit professionals who are done building other people's organizations. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, each episode delivers real talk on building a...

16: Would You Like Fries With That: Upselling Fractional - Jessye Kass Karlin

38 min

Jessye Kass Karlin, founder of Riverwalker Talent, built a nonprofit recruitment and fractional HR practice on a simple habit: once she's under the hood of a search, she asks if the client wants more support. One recruitment contract turned into a three-year fractional partnership that eventually rebuilt 20% of an organization's team. Jessye and Cindy dig into the contract language she uses to head off scope creep before it starts, including built-in communication agreements and response-time commitments, and the sliding-scale pricing model that lets her serve smaller-budget nonprofits without discounting her own expertise. She's also candid about the boundary-setting she didn't have in her first two years, when she answered client emails at midnight, and what shifted once she treated boundaries as contract terms instead of personal willpower. Key Takeaways A single recruitment search can become a longer fractional partnership - Jessye's approach is to offer the expanded scope once she understands the organization's real needs, not to lead with it.Boundaries work better written into the contract than held as a personal intention - Jessye's contracts spell out response times, business hours, and communication norms up front.Scope creep is rarely intentional. Offering a client two or three priced options for added work, instead of a flat yes or no, makes the trade-offs visible and keeps the relationship collaborative.Reframing a pricing conversation as "can we collaborate on a solution" instead of "you'll need to pay more" changes how clients receive it. Guest Bio Jessye Kass Karlin is the founder of Riverwalker Talent, a nonprofit recruitment and fractional HR firm. She spent 15 years in direct nonprofit service, including as an executive director, before building her firm from a solo recruiting practice into a team of consultants. Resources + Links Riverwalker Talent Connect with Jessye Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to ch...

15: He Tried Fractional Fundraising and Hated It - CF Callihan

27 min

CF Callihan, founder of Heart Strategy Impact, tried fractional fundraising first. A promising first client went quiet for three weeks before the contract even started, and when the work finally began, CF found himself trying to cram a full-time job into a fractional container. The work paid, but it didn't give him joy - a signal he eventually learned to trust. Instead of ongoing, retainer-style fractional work, CF now coaches nonprofit leaders and boards to build stronger relationships with their own donors. He credits messaging work with turning his business development from chasing leads to fielding inbound calls. Key Takeaways Not every nonprofit consultant should be a fractional consultant - CF tried it, recognized it wasn't giving him joy, and pivoted to a coaching and strategy model instead.A client relationship can go quiet without being malicious - CF's first big client ghosted him for weeks before ever starting, which nearly derailed his early business development.Clear messaging changes what business development feels like - after working through a StoryBrand-based framework, CF went from chasing clients to getting inbound meetings from people he'd never met.Being able to say "that's not what I do" is a business development asset, not a liability - it builds trust and often earns a referral instead. Guest Bio CF Callihan is the founder of Heart Strategy Impact, a fundraising consultancy coaching small to mid-sized nonprofit leaders and boards on individual donor relationships. He is based in Charlotte, North Carolina. Resources + Links Heart Strategy Impact | Fundraising Superpower Quiz Connect with CF Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

14: What an Emergency Fund Actually Buys a Consultant - Tess Conrad

23 min

Tess Conrad, CFRE first appeared on this podcast as a fully-booked generalist fractional fundraiser. Since then, she's niched her business into planned giving - a deliberate, gradual shift sped up by an endorsement from a well-known planned giving expert who saw her as a successor. She also lived through the scenario a lot of fractionals fear but rarely plan for: an unplanned two-month medical leave that stretched to four, followed by a long-term client relationship ending unexpectedly right after she returned. Half her income disappeared at once. An emergency fund, a subcontractor network, and a return to basic business development brought her back to fully booked within months. Key Takeaways Niching into a long-sales-cycle specialty like planned giving takes patience - Tess expects to be fully booked in her niche by mid-2027, years after she started positioning for it.An emergency fund isn't optional once you're running a fractional business - it's what let Tess take medical leave without panicking about income.Line up subcontractors before you need them. Tess's network covered her client relationships during her leave and kept continuity with the organizations she serves.Content built around a specific niche compounds - weekly LinkedIn posts and a weekly newsletter kept Tess visible in planned giving even while she wasn't taking new clients.Time management systems will keep changing as your business does. Tess moved from Asana to Motion to pen and paper, adjusting each time her client mix shifted. Guest Bio Tess Conrad, CFRE, is the principal consultant at Full Potential Fundraising, specializing in fractional and done-for-you planned giving for nonprofits. She previously built a fully-booked generalist fractional fundraising practice before niching into legacy and planned giving work. Resources + Links Full Potential Fundraising Connect with Tess Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and havi...

13: Getting Paid On Time - Grace Tabib

32 min

An unpaid invoice hits differently than a late bill. Grace Tabib, founder of DUPAY, knows that firsthand - she left a law firm offer to return to nonprofit work, then went three months unpaid on a role she still loved. That experience became a business built on recovering unpaid invoices for freelancers, fractionals, and founders. In this conversation, Grace and Cindy break down why late nonprofit payments are almost always admin delays rather than malice, what a solid fractional contract needs to spell out from day one, and how to send a payment reminder that stays professional without feeling cold. They also get into the harder cases: when a client goes quiet, when the money genuinely isn't there, and when it's time to stop chasing an invoice yourself. Key Takeaways Most late nonprofit payments come from admin delays, not bad faith - missing approvals, absent signers, or invoices routed to the wrong inbox.A contract should spell out payment terms, approval steps, and timelines before work starts, even with a client you already know well.Reminders work best sent early and often - the first one the day payment is due, not weeks later.Keep reminders professional, not personal - lead with the invoice number and due date, not the relationship.If a client goes unresponsive after repeated professional outreach, it's reasonable to hand the collection to a third party rather than keep spending your own time and energy on it. Guest Bio Grace Tabib is the founder and head of advocacy at DUPAY, a platform that protects income and recovers unpaid invoices for freelancers, fractionals, and small businesses. She is a lawyer with her own history of unpaid nonprofit work, which shaped DUPAY's mission to help people get paid for work they've already done. Resources + Links DUPAY Connect with Grace Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fract...

12: Fit Check: Having Fun as a Fractional - Jocelyn Helland

35 min

Before Jocelyn Helland was a fractional consultant, she was Cindy's client. In 2018, as an executive director in Toronto, she brought Cindy's team in to shore up a fundraising department in crisis - and watched, up close, what "done for you" fundraising could look like. Years later, Jocelyn left the ED chair and built her own fractional practice. She refuses to niche into one function, running fundraising and interim leadership engagements at once, and she's learned to tell the difference between a genuine red flag and a client who simply doesn't understand fractional support yet. She also talks candidly about walking away from a relationship that had good bones but the wrong fit - and why protecting that decision protected her reputation. Key Takeaways Fractional doesn't require a niche - Jocelyn runs fundraising and interim ED engagements side by side because the range keeps her sharp.Fit matters more than budget. Anxiety before every meeting is a clearer red flag than a mismatched invoice.A red flag and an uninformed client aren't the same thing - coachable organizations just need the model explained.Trust is the deliverable. The best fractional clients let go of oversight and let the expertise work.Reputation outlasts any single contract. Ending a mismatched engagement well protects future referrals. Guest Bio Jocelyn Helland is the founder of Jocelyn Helland Consulting, offering fractional fundraising and interim executive leadership to small and mid-sized nonprofits. She spent over two decades in-house, including as an executive director, before building a fractional practice on her own terms. Resources + Links Jocelyn Helland Consulting Connect with Jocelyn Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Sub...

11: Selling to Nonprofits When Budgets Are Especially Tight - Holly Rustick

26 min

In early 2025, one of Holly Rustick's students lost $100,000 in contracts in a single week. Holly has been writing grants for more than 20 years and has run Grant Writing & Funding through five US administrations, the 2008 recession, COVID, and 2025. In this conversation with Cindy, Holly breaks down what her students' experience shows about how the sector is buying right now, how to reposition your services when the market tightens, and why the consultants who are thriving got serious about the business side. Key Takeaways Grant funding dropped in Holly's programs in 2025, but her students' business revenue went up. Nonprofits are still buying - the form has changed, not the demand.Repositioning from "grant writer" to "grant strategist" changes what you offer, how you price it, and what results you can promise.The Minimum Valuable Product framework: what is the minimum scope of work that gets the client the result they actually need? Cut the extras.Credit-based retainer systems give clients flexibility without costing you recurring revenue.Before every sales call, write down every objection you think might come up - then write how you'd respond. Guest Bio Holly Rustick is a grant writing strategist with more than 20 years of experience and founder of Grant Writing & Funding. Her students have collectively won over $225 million in grants and generated $4+ million in business revenue. She hosts the #1 ranked grant writing podcast in the world. Resources + Links Grant Writing & FundingGrant Writing & Funding PodcastNFN OS Program Connect with Holly Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E10: Using AI as a Consultant Without Losing Client Trust - Valerie Ehrlich

22 min

Episode Summary Your clients are starting to ask about AI - and some have policies banning contractor use. Valerie Ehrlich, PhD has spent her career at the intersection of learning, evaluation, and organisational strategy, and now focuses on what responsible AI adoption actually looks like in the social sector. In this conversation, she and Cindy get into the questions nonprofit consultants are actually facing: what to say when a client asks whether you use AI, how to think about data privacy, and why the most effective AI users are critical thinkers - not early adopters. Key Takeaways Consultants need to decide whether they'll be proactive or reactive about AI disclosure. Getting caught off guard when a client asks is not an option.Separate client-facing AI use from backend use. Both are acceptable - but they require different levels of disclosure.Pay for AI tools rather than using free versions. Free tools often monetise your data. Read the terms of service.Never record a client conversation without consent. Even if it's technically legal, it's a trust issue.A consultant's deep sector knowledge produces better AI output than someone without it. That's an argument for your value, not against it. Guest Bio Valerie Ehrlich, PhD is the founder of Mission Bloom, supporting mission-driven organisations in learning, evaluation, and AI adoption. She also writes The Bloom Shift, a Substack newsletter on responsible AI in the nonprofit sector. Resources + Links Mission BloomThe Bloom Shift on SubstackNFN OS Program Connect with Valerie Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E9: Generalists Are the Glue: Building a Consulting Portfolio - Kelsi Kriitmaa

28 min

Kelsi Kriitmaa spent 25 years across the UN, global NGOs, and private sector consulting before building what she calls a portfolio career - multiple revenue streams, multiple professional identities. In this conversation, Kelsi and Cindy map out how the portfolio model actually works: relationship-first business development, why generalists are undervalued, and why seasons of life matter more than long-term plans. Key Takeaways A portfolio career means multiple revenue streams and professional identities - not just one consulting client.Business development in the social impact sector is relationship-first. Mass marketing tactics won't get you clients here.Generalists are undervalued and essential. Niching too early means missing the market.Build for now, not forever. What you need from your business in year one is different from year three.No in-house role is as safe as it used to be. Portfolio careers give you more options, not fewer. Guest Bio Kelsi Kriitmaa, PhD is a social impact coach and consultant with 25 years of experience across the UN, global NGOs, and private sector consulting. She founded Kriitmaa Coaching & Consulting, holds an ICF accreditation, and has a PhD in Epidemiology. Resources + Links Kriitmaa Coaching & ConsultingPortfolio Career Playbook on Maven - search "Kriitmaa Portfolio Career Playbook"BridgeSpan Group article on generalists: [URL to confirm with guest]NFN OS Program Connect with Kelsi Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E8: What 4,000 Executive Directors Are Actually Telling Us - Greg Harrell-Edge

29 min

Greg Harrell-Edge ran CoachArt, a nonprofit matching kids with serious illness to volunteers who teach arts and athletics. When he arrived, every new match took over seven hours of staff time. They built an app. That time dropped to under seven minutes. They quintupled matches made and went national during COVID. But Greg's most useful story isn't the win - it's the mistake. Month two, they hired a full-time CTO. A year in, the development agency said the CTO didn't need to attend meetings anymore. Greg realised in real time: what they'd needed was a fractional. Key Takeaways The nonprofit sector is in evolution, not crisis. Organizations doing things differently right now have real advantages - the fractional model is one of them.EDs are drowning in silver bullets. Position yourself as the person who helps them put it all together, not as another fix.The EDs most ready for fractional work think long-term, focus on impact metrics, and show up with cautious optimism. Guest Bio Greg Harrell-Edge is the Founder and Executive Director of the Proimpact Project, a free nonprofit community helping EDs lead future-ready organizations. A second-generation nonprofit leader, he previously served as ED of CoachArt and hosts the Proimpact Podcast. Resources + Links Proimpact ProjectProimpact ED HiveProimpact PodcastCoachArtNonprofit Fractionals NetworkNFN OS Program Connect with Greg Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E7: Your Client Load and the Bell Curve Nobody Talks About - Tracey van Marcke

22 min

Tracey van Marcke didn't set out to build a fractional COO business. During COVID, her network kept asking "while you're looking, could you help with X?" After the third conversation, something clicked. Five years later, TvM Impact Consulting supports nonprofit CEOs and executive directors as their "right-hand executive" - an operational partner who's been on the other side of that desk and can carry some of the weight. Key Takeaways Your client is always the person - the CEO or ED - not the nonprofit itself. Serve the human and the organisation follows.A prospective client who bad-mouths a previous consultant is a clear red flag. If they'll say it about them, they'll say it about you.Project work is a legitimate entry point into long-term retainer relationships. Use it strategically.Three to four clients is a sustainable sweet spot - the right number depends on the type of work, not just hours.The timing of fractional work always finds a way to work out. Build your pipeline and trust the process. Guest Bio Tracey van Marcke is the Founder and Principal of TvM Impact Consulting, LLC, a fractional COO practice serving nonprofit CEOs and EDs. A former nonprofit CEO herself, she's been doing this work for five years and was a 2023 NAWBO Richmond Women of Excellence Award Finalist. Resources + Links TvM Impact ConsultingNonprofit Fractionals NetworkNFN OS Program Connect with Tracey Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E6: Stop Perfecting Your Logo - Christine Lieu-Guzauskas

25 min

Most fractionals get stuck on branding two ways: ignore it entirely, or lose weeks in a logo spiral before landing a client. Christine Lieu-Guzauskas, founder of CL Designs, has a sharper framework. Key Takeaways Branding has three layers: internal (positioning), external (visuals), and experiential (client journey). Most consultants skip the first and underfund the third.Start visual brand research on Pinterest. Set a timer, collect without judgment, and let patterns emerge.Your brand evolves with you - five iterations in ten years isn't inconsistency, it's a growing business.Client experience isn't just onboarding gifts. It's frictionless booking, transparent pricing, and asking how clients like to celebrate before you send a goodbye present. Guest Bio Christine Lieu-Guzauskas is the founder of CL Designs, an award-winning Toronto design boutique specialising in the nonprofit sector. She helps consultants build cohesive brands - from visual identity to client experience - and hosts the Brand Party podcast. Resources + Links CL Designs: https://www.christineldesigns.comBrand Party PodcastApple PodcastsSpotifyChristine on InstagramHandwryttenSugarWish Connect with Christine: Website | LinkedIn Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E5: Turning Your In-House Job Into Your First Client - Kayla Meyers

22 min

Kayla Meyers built Bridgepoint Evaluation around one insight: her expertise didn't need 40 hours a week. After going in-house to build a nonprofit evaluation system from scratch, she turned that role into her first fractional client. This episode covers how fractional evaluation works month-to-month, how she pitched the transition to her employer, and how to position evaluation as strategy rather than compliance. Key Takeaways Fractional consulting works in specialised fields - the model applies wherever organisations need senior expertise without a full-time hireTurning an in-house role into your first fractional client is possible - frame it around what's best for the organisationThe cost of a person is different from their salary - framing pricing that way creates a genuine win-winWhen you do good fractional work, the ED stops thinking about your function - so you have to proactively communicate your valueOne-time evaluation projects can convert to ongoing fractional clients when clients experience what an evaluative learning culture feels like Guest Bio Kayla Meyers is the founder of Bridgepoint Evaluation in Minneapolis, providing fractional evaluation management, coaching, and impact reporting to nonprofits. She teaches program evaluation at the Humphrey School of Public Affairs. Resources + Links bridgepointevaluation.comlinkedin.com/in/bridgepointkaylahttps://buildingbettertogether.co/ [URL to confirm]consultants4good.comeval.orgMinnesota Evaluation Association [URL to confirm]Rising Tide Society [URL to confirm]Strengthen the Strong [URL to confirm] Connect with Kayla Website | LinkedIn --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe to Fracture | Join the OS

E3: The Internal Shift From In-House to Fractional Work with Molly Terbovich-Ridenhour

34 min

Molly Terbovich-Ridenhour spent 15+ years in nonprofit arts organisations holding all the pieces - creative, human, operational, financial. When she left, she didn't just change jobs. She redesigned how she leads. In this episode, she's honest about what she learned the hard way: the skills that made her excellent in-house become a trap in consulting if you don't actively work against them. Key Takeaways The overfunctioning pattern from nonprofit leadership follows you into consulting unless you name it and actively work against itBoundaries are a practice, not a policy - especially for people who said they had them but didn't hold themStructure your calendar before other people fill it - time is the most important boundary of allThe story you're telling yourself about client urgency is usually wrong - clients have more patience than you thinkOrganisations often ask for X but actually need Y - naming that clearly is part of your job as a fractional consultant Guest Bio Molly Terbovich-Ridenhour is a fractional consultant with 15+ years in nonprofit arts leadership. She runs AMR, supporting small and mid-sized nonprofits through strategy, fundraising, and organisational complexity, from San Diego, California. Resources + Links https://www.linkedin.com/in/molly-terbovich-ridenhour/https://nonprofitfractionals.com/ Connect with Molly Website: mollyterbovich.com | LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/molly-terbovich-ridenhour --- Fracture is for nonprofit professionals who refuse to choose between doing good work and having a good life. Hosted by Cindy Wagman, founder of the Nonprofit Fractionals Network, it's real talk on building a fractional consulting business that actually pays - and still matters. Subscribe: https://www.nonprofitfractionals.com/subscribe | Join the OS: https://www.nonprofitfractionals.com/os-join

E4: Don't Apply for That Job Posting with Tanya Frey

44 min

Tanya Frey spent 21 years in employment law before founding Terra Firma Consulting LLC - a firm that helps nonprofits recruit, retain, and make the hard calls on people. She now works across executive search, HR strategy, and the fractional model, placing fractional executives into nonprofits while also advising them. That position on both sides of the table makes her a useful witness. She's seen organisations that think they want fractional but really want a discount full-time hire. Candidates who claim the title but can't articulate what they actually do. This episode covers when to pitch fractional, how to spot red flags on both sides, and why your references should work like referrals. Key Takeaways Don't apply for a full-time posting and ask them to consider you fractionally. The appetite has to exist before the conversation, not during it.If you can't describe your practice area and what your first two weeks look like at a new client, you're not ready to call yourself a fractional executive.Three to four anchor clients is a sustainable load. Seven or eight is a signal you're not working at the right level.Treat references as evergreen relationships. Ask upfront: "Would you serve as a testimonial and refer me to peers?" They become champions, not checkboxes.The rate cap conversation tells you everything. An organisation that won't pay more than $X for fractional executive services wants a discount employee, not a business partner.Guest Bio Tanya Frey, J.D. is Founder and CEO of Terra Firma Consulting LLC in Memphis, Tennessee. With 21 years of employment law experience rooted in the nonprofit sector, she helps organisations make the calls nobody else wants to touch - from executive hiring to leadership transitions. She also hosts The Reset, a podcast about leading organisations built on people. Resources + Links Terra Firma Consulting: https://terrafirmallc.com/Tanya on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanyacfreyThe Reset Podcast: Search "The Reset" by Tan...

E2: First Client in 30 days, Agency in One Year with Tanya Wall

20 min

Episode SummaryTanya Wall joined the Nonprofit Fractionals Network not really knowing what came next. She'd spent her entire career in nonprofits - on the direct service side, leading small organizations, and building fundraising programs - and she was at a crossroads. Then she heard the term "fractional fundraising" and spent the next few days listening to every episode she could find. By the end, she knew exactly what she wanted to do. What she didn't expect was how fast it would happen. Within 30 days of joining NFN, she had her first client. Within a few months, she was fully booked. And within her first year, she had a team. Tanya and Cindy talk about what it takes to grow a fractional consulting practice beyond just yourself - the mindset work, the structural decisions, the fear of niching, and the kind of business culture Tanya is building. If you're curious what it looks like to scale a fractional practice without recreating the nonprofit grind, this episode is for you. Key TakeawaysGetting to fully booked can happen faster than you think - but you need to decide in advance what comes nextBringing on subcontractors or account managers requires more intentional structure than most consultants plan forNiching feels scary because it means saying no to work that doesn't fit - but it positions you as the expert your ideal clients are looking forThe hustle mindset from in-house nonprofit work doesn't have to follow you into consultingDocumenting systems, onboarding well, and respecting each team member's working style is what separates a real team from a pile of contractorsClear geographic and service niching can generate better-fit inquiries faster than casting a wide net Guest BioTanya Wall, CFRE, is the founder and principal consultant of Collaborative Cause Consulting, based in Nova Scotia. With over 20 years of nonprofit fundraising experience, she specializes in individual giving programs and fractional fundraising leadership for small nonprofits in Atlan...

E1: The Self-Sacrifice Lie

12 min

This is Episode 1 of Fracture - and it's the one most listeners will wish they found years ago. Fracture ran as a private podcast for a while. If you've been in the NFN community, you know it. Real conversations about building a fractional consulting business in the nonprofit sector, behind a door most people didn't know existed. Now the door is open. In this episode, Cindy names the thing she sees keeping more nonprofit professionals stuck than anything else: the belief that impact and income are opposites. That if your work matters, you earn less. That the earning less is proof you care. She traces where that belief came from, why it's not a sector value - it's a deal that runs in one direction - and what happens when you stop accepting it. This isn't a tips episode. It's a reframe. For anyone who's been excellent at nonprofit work while watching the system extract everything in exchange for barely enough - this one lands somewhere real. Cindy also tells her own story: a women's shelter where she was the first and only fundraiser, watching board members suggest coin boxes at liquor stores and holiday card sales while she tried to run a real development program. A first consulting contract in 2015 that paid more than her in-house salary, alone. Building what eventually became the Nonprofit Fractionals Network - now 100+ people trained to run their own fractional practices. Fractional consulting isn't freelancing. It's a model that lets you keep everything that brought you to the sector - the relationships, the work, the proximity to mission - and build a business that pays you what you're actually worth, and gives you back your time. What You'll Take Away The real reason nonprofit compensation is low (and why calling it mission alignment is a cover story)What fractional consulting is, in plain language, and why it's not freelancingHow Cindy went from in-house fundraiser to NFN founder and what that path actually looked likeThe "both and" philosophy behind Fra...

Relaunch Teaser

3 min

Something is shifting in the nonprofit sector - and fractional is more than a buzzword. This is Fracture. The podcast about the business of nonprofit fractional consulting - for consultants, and the people who are about to become one.

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