No-frills discussions between Bruce Eckel and James Ward about programming, what it is, and what it should be. Buy the Happy Path Programming t-shirt: https://happy-path.printify.me/products
1 hr 8 min
We chat with Barry Warsaw, one of the core Python maintainers.In the episode we mention the late Tim Peters who had a significant impact on Python and we are grateful for all his contributions. https://www.bratleyfamilyfuneralhomes.com/obituary/timothy-peters
1 hr 7 min
In this episode we chat with Sune Debel about his Stateless library which brings Effect Oriented Programming to Python.https://github.com/suned/statelessPrior attempt at at Scala ZIO port to Python:https://github.com/suned/pfun
1 hr 10 min
We dive into the new Aver programming language with its creator, Szymon Teżewski: The AI-native language where code explains itself.Aver is a language where every function carries its intent, side effects are visible in the type system, and tests are executable specs next to the code. The optimization target is the reviewer, not the generator.Resources:- Aver: https://averlang.dev/- Agent Languages: https://agentlanguages.dev/ Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 8 min
We chat with Barry Warsaw, one of the core Python maintainers.In the episode we mention the late Tim Peters who had a significant impact on Python and we are grateful for all his contributions. https://www.bratleyfamilyfuneralhomes.com/obituary/timothy-peters
1 hr 7 min
In this episode we chat with Sune Debel about his Stateless library which brings Effect Oriented Programming to Python.https://github.com/suned/statelessPrior attempt at at Scala ZIO port to Python:https://github.com/suned/pfun
1 hr 10 min
We dive into the new Aver programming language with its creator, Szymon Teżewski: The AI-native language where code explains itself.Aver is a language where every function carries its intent, side effects are visible in the type system, and tests are executable specs next to the code. The optimization target is the reviewer, not the generator.Resources:- Aver: https://averlang.dev/- Agent Languages: https://agentlanguages.dev/ Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 29 min
We chat with Paul Snively (https://x.com/JustDeezGuy) about how Functional Programming has gone mainstream.Resources- Winter Tech Forum - https://www.wintertechforum.com- Paul Snively's LambdaConf Talk on Verse - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBT0j14rn5c- Paul Snively's Blog Post on the Verse Calculus - https://paul-snively.github.io/posts/2022-12-15-verse-calculus.html- Eugenio Moggi, "Notions of Computation and Monads" (1991) - https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~crary/819-f09/Moggi91.pdf- "Implementing Lazy Functional Languages on Stock Hardware: The Spineless Tagless G-machine"** by Simon Peyton Jones - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/1992/04/spineless-tagless-gmachine.pdf- The Verse Calculus Paper - https://simon.peytonjones.org/verse-calculus/- "How to Solve It" by George Pólya - https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691164076/how-to-solve-it- Fidelity Framework - https://github.com/FidelityFramework- Happy Path Programming Episode #37 from Aug 14, 2021 "The Future of Everything with Paul Snively" - https://open.spotify.com/episode/62iyGUUwh5CBkxkDpJmUuoDiscuss this episode: https://discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 11 min
Bruce & James recap the technology shifts of 2025 and look ahead to what may be ahead in 2026. Resources: Register for the Winter Tech Forum (March 2-6 2026 in Crested Butte, Colorado)The Eternal Return of Abstraction: Why Programming Was Never About CodeThinking in Typesjavadocs.devWhat's New in EmbabelDiscuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 12 min
At Western State Colorado University in Gunnison on Sept 11, 2025, Bruce Eckel, Bill Venners and Dianne Marsh each give their own 10-minute perspectives on finding fulfillment in the field, especially considering the impact of AI and other recent changes in computing. The remainder of the session answers questions from the student audience. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
58 min
Infrastructure as Code (IaC) is "code" but without most of the benefits of being code. Sam Goodwin is reinventing IaC with Alchemy and an upcoming Alchemy Effect project which aims to manage infrastructure dependencies & provisioning in the same way we manage requirements in Effect Oriented Programming. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 2 min
Excitement around Python type checking continues to grow and the tools continue to evolve. We chat with Aaron Pollack and Steven Troxler about Pyrefly - a Rust-based Python type checker and IDE extension. We also touch on the adoption and sentiment around types in Python's ecosystem.Resources: Pyrefly DiscordPackage Type Coverage ReportPackages being tracked for moving types from typeshed to the source projectTyping Survey SlidesBlog post with survey analysisPython typing community forumMCP PyreflyDiscuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 5 min
Carl Meyer works on the ty Python type checker, built in Rust by Astral the creators of Ruff and uv. We chat about type systems, the evolution of static typing in Python, and the focus on performance. Resources: Richard Feldman: Roc compiler moving from Rust to Zig Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 5 min
We chat with Jennifer Reif about integrating LLMs with data using RAG, vectorized data, and Graph databases. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 14 min
Rod Johnson, creator of the Spring Framework, has created a JVM-based AI Agent framework called Embabel. We dive in and learn how enterprises can build more reliable Agents using deterministic planning and domain-driven orchestration. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
51 min
We chat with Steve Manuel (of dylibso.com and mcp.run) about LLM "plugins" with Wasm & MCP (Model Context Protocol). Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 5 min
Justin Reock has spent a lot of his career thinking about how to help developers be more productive. In this episode we learn about the methodologies that can help developers spend more time in "flow state" - happily coding the fun stuff. Further reading: Measuring developer productivity with the DX Core 4 Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 12 min
Lize Raes teaches us about AI models, LLMs, Tools, Agents, and MCP. Article from Anthropic on Agent architectures: Building effective agents Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
43 min
Join us at the 2025 Winter Tech Forum! www.wintertechforum.com Projects Mentioned: uv for Python TypeScript Effect Pkl CloudFormation Extras Pkl GitHub Actions Other Episodes Mentioned: #81 TypeScript & Effects with Michael Arnaldi #97 The Pkl Configuration Language with Philip Hölzenspies
1 hr 9 min
We chat with Dave Thomas, co-author of The Pragmatic Programmer, about the joy of programming and the tensions between our and others needs. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 4 min
Jutta Eckstein is expanding the concepts of Agile to be a company-wide model, instead of a niche process for software developers. We chat with her about the book "Company-wide Agility with Beyond Budgeting, Open Space & Sociocracy" which she co-authored on this subject. For more details on the book and many free resources, see: www.agilebossanova.com Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 23 min
Nathan Sobo is co-founder of Zed, a super-fast, collaborative, AI-powered, code editor. We chat about his journey to build the ultimate code editor: lessons learned from building Atom, Electron and its challenges, CRDTs, Rust native GPU GUIs, AI Code Assistants, and more CRDTs. See also: Nathan on the Software Unscripted podcast Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
58 min
After 4 years in development, our book is out! Along with our friend and lead-author, Bill Frasure, we we discuss the book, its motivation and the process we used to create it. Now available in digital and print forms at: effectorientedprogramming.com At the end of the episode we step into the "twilight zone" with a 7 minute NotebookLM AI-generated podcast based on the book. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 7 min
Stephan Janssen is always on the bleeding edge of both helping developers grow and with how he uses technology to accomplish amazing things. He led the creation of Devoxx but is a coder at heart. Stephan shares his journey with AI, both as a "library" in his applications and also as an "assistant" that helps him iterate and program more quickly. Resources: DevoxxGenie IntelliJ Plugin Ollama LangChain for Java LMstudio Llama.cpp James on The AI Native Dev Podcast: Rethinking Software Development: James Ward on AI's Role in Software Testing and Coding Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
52 min
We chat with Venkat about his upcoming dev2next conference and the new Stream Gatherers API (preview in JDK 22). Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 13 min
Johannes Schickling (@schickling | schickling.dev) gets us up-to-speed on Effect, the ZIO-inspired Effect System for TypeScript, and the Local-First movement. Resources: Local-First Podcast: www.localfirst.fm Ink & Switch's Local-First Essay: www.inkandswitch.com/local-first Effect (TypeScript Library): effect.website Riffle research project: riffle.systems LiveStore: github.com/livestorejs Overtone: overtone.pro Related Episodes: #81 TypeScript & Effects with Michael Arnaldi #62 Musing About Local-First Sync & CRDTs with Mark McGranaghan Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 31 min
Diana Montalion teaches us about Systems Thinking and why it matters for those of us building software. Diana is founder of Mentrix, which teaches "systems architecture skills for an increasingly complex world." Pre-Order Diana's book: Learning Systems Thinking: Essential Nonlinear Skills and Practices for Software Professionals Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
55 min
We chat with Trond Hjorteland about Agile and why it hasn't led to successful outcomes in many traditional organizations. Mentioned and related resources: Trond & João Rosa's training on Agile + DP2 Open Systems Theory LinkedIn Group for Open Systems Theory More material on Open Systems Theory Resource List from Trond Some of Trond's recorded talks
1 hr 6 min
We chat with Valentina Servile about her upcoming book on Continuous Deployment and reducing the risks to keeping HEAD not just always deployable, but automatically deployed to production. Book for preorder on Amazon: Continuous Deployment: Enable Faster Feedback, Safer Releases, and More Reliable Software Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 14 min
We chat with Philip Hölzenspies, one of the maintainers of the new Pkl configuration language (pkl-lang.org). Resources: James' Pkl for GitHub Actions: github.com/jamesward/pklgha Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
59 min
We chat with April Wensel, founder of Compassionate Coding, about helping programmers bring more compassion to themselves and others. Resources: Confessions of a Recovering Jerk Programmer Marshall Rosenberg - Nonviolent Communication Kristin Neff - Self-Compassion Karen Armstrong - Twelve Steps to a Compassionate Life UC Berkeley Greater Good Science Center definition of compassion Oren Jay Sofer's Needs & Feelings Lists Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 0 min
We chat with Gwen Shapira, co-founder of Nile, about her journey to creating a virtualized, serverless Postgres database service. We also dive into the challenges with traditional data architectures and approaches like ORMs. Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 7 min
We chat with Trisha Gee about Test Driven Development (TDD), flaky tests, ops & observability for builds, and developer productivity. Mentioned TDD Article: The beautiful theory of TDD and the reality check of practice Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
59 min
When Gunnar Morling announced the 1 Billion Row Challenge a few weeks ago, he had no idea it'd go crazy viral. Resources: Challenge details: www.morling.dev/blog/one-billion-row-challenge Rust 1BRC Blog: aminediro.com/posts/billion_row/ Cliff Click's implementation walkthrough: www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJNIbgV6j-Y James' very slow Scala ZIO implementation: github.com/jamesward/1brc-zio/blob/main/src/main/scala/Main.scala Discuss this episode: discord.gg/XVKD2uPKyF
1 hr 7 min
We chat with Adam Warski about Loom, Virtual Threads, and his Loom-based Scala library, Ox, for structured concurrency & Go-Like Channels. Referenced articles & code: Ox EasyRacer Client Go statement considered harmful Go-like selects using jox channels in Java Limits of Loom's performance Fast and Scalable Channels in Kotlin Coroutines Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 7 min
Announcing Graboo, a collection of experiments to reduce friction with Gradle. Repo: https://github.com/jamesward/graboo Buy your Happy Path Programming Shirt: https://happy-path.printify.me/products Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
44 min
Most of us have managers but they aren't always great. We chat with James' best manager, Sushila Sahay, about what makes her such a great manager. We also dive a bit into open source business models since Sushila has deep experience in that realm. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 7 min
We learn about Algebraic Effects with the Scala library Kyo ( getkyo.io) from the creator, Flavio Brasil. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 15 min
Arty Starr is a PhD student and entrepreneur focused on helping developers thrive. We chat about her research on developer momentum and ways that developers can find joy through more time in the flow state. Referenced resources: SpringOne Talk Arty's Idea Flow Book FlowInsight Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 7 min
Zalim Bashorov (@bashorov) works on Kotlin/Wasm at JetBrains and answers our many questions about Wasm, GC, the Component Model, and other future proposals. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 10 min
Sabine went from acedemia and a PhD in formal methods, to Python, Elm, Haskell, and now OCaml. We chat about this journey and some of the reasons why OCaml is an awesome modern language. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 19 min
Our chat with John De Goes starts with his Scala & Rust journeys, then goes into Golem Cloud, a serverless durable computing platform underpinned by Wasm, and ends with a discussion about whether business applications really need parallelism. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 9 min
We chat with Dormain Drewitz about failure and reliability. Ironically our recording software crashed near the end of the episode but we recovered and wrapped things up. Referenced Article: 10 Years of Failure Friday at PagerDuty: Fostering Resilience, Learning and Reliability Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
58 min
At the Rust Developer Retreat we explored Structured Concurrency with Tokio. With the attendees we chat about our projects and things learned, liked, and disliked about Rust. Then dive into Structured Concurrency generally and specific implementations. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 12 min
Bruce and James chat about the future of programming. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 6 min
Michael created Effect, a functional effect system inspired by Scala ZIO, for TypeScript. We chat about Functional Programming, the TypeScript language, and Effects. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
45 min
Renee Shah is a partner at Amplify Partners, an early stage venture capital firm. We discuss some broad industry trends: Edge, Wasm, Distributed Systems, Functional Programming, and much more! Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 2 min
We chat with Oliver Drotbohm about what Domain-Driven Design is and how it might intersect with Microservices, Monoliths, or Moduliths. Mentioned resources: Parnas on modularity Chris Richardson – Introducing Assemblage - a microservice architecture definition process Spring Modulith Project Introducing Spring Modulith Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 16 min
First a short rant about mutability followed by learning about Smithy, an Interface Description Language (IDL), with Jakub Kozłowski. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 0 min
Holly Cummins, a Senior Principal Software Engineer on Quarkus at Redhat, joins us to chat about Microservices and Quarkus. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 1 min
WebAssembly (Wasm) finds a way for the web to move forward to near-native performance while avoiding the limitations of JavaScript. In this episode we chat with Vivek Sekhar, a product manager on the Chrome team, about all the Wasm things and how they relate to a better foundation for cross-platform, high performance apps, in the browser, on the cloud, and maybe just everywhere. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 7 min
We learn the motivations behind Haskell and why it is the pinnacle of Functional Programming from Kris Jenkins, a Developer Advocate at Confluent. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 7 min
Developer Productivity Engineering (DPE) is a set of tools & practices that help engineers be more productive. We chat with Justin Reock, field CTO at Gradle, about why more organizations need DPE and what that really means. Learn more at: https://gradle.com/developer-productivity-engineering/ Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
1 hr 2 min
After being told many times that Nix is all we dream for when it comes to software packaging, we finally chat with Domen Kožar and learn all about Nix. Discuss this episode: https://discord.gg/nPa76qF
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