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Square Talk

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Welcome to Square Talk, a podcast exploring the people, principles and purpose of Freemasonry. Through open and thoughtful conversations, we look at modern Masonic life: friendship, charity, service, leadership, personal growth and the values that continue to shape the Craft today. Each episode offers listeners a glimpse into the wider Masonic journey, from the work carried out in our communities to the traditions, symbolism and ideas that inspire members to become better people. We will hear from a range of voices, reflect on different experiences, and explore Freemasonry in a way that is accessible to members and non-members alike. Square Talk is produced with respect for Masonic values, UGLE guidance and the privacy of Masonic ceremonies. We do not disclose confidential ritual, private proceedings or matters unsuitable for public discussion. Subscribe and join us for thoughtful conversations from the heart of Freemasonry.

Newest episodes

A Masonry degree that leaves you smiling

17 min

A Masonry degree that leaves you smiling, thinking, and wanting to come back for more - that is exactly what Jason Clothier and Andy Lee unpack in this conversation about the Mark and the Royal Ark Mariner degrees. If you have ever wondered what makes these orders so different, or why members describe them as the "friendly degree," this episode gives you the answer. Jason is joined by Andy Lee, Head of the Mark Masons in Leicestershire and Rutland, for a conversation that goes far beyond tradition. Andy explains how the Mark degree draws on the world of stone masons and quarry work, why each mason's individual mark mattered, and how the ceremony teaches a powerful lesson about value, judgment, and patience. He also opens up the Royal Ark Mariner degree, from its Noah's Ark roots and rainbow regalia to the deeper moral reflections it offers about renewal, preservation, and beginning again. You'll discover: Why the Mark is described as the "friendly degree" and how it creates a genuinely uplifting experienceThe role of the three overseers and what they symbolize in the ceremonyHow the Royal Ark Mariner degree connects biblical storytelling, colorful ritual, and practical moral teachingThe core lesson behind both degrees: looking beyond first impressions and understanding deeper worthHow Masonry supports charities at national, local, and discretionary levels without the hard sellAndy also shares how these degrees shape the people who take part in them, from encouraging reflection on truth, relief, and brotherly love to creating friendships that last well beyond lodge night. His perspective on charity is especially striking, with examples ranging from national projects like blood bikes to small local causes that can be transformed by just a few hundred pounds. This is essential listening if you are curious about Freemasonry, considering the Mark as your next step, or simply interested in how ceremony, community, and charity can come together in a way that feels warm, me...

How Sight Loss Built a Runner, Leader, and Mason

39 min

Sight loss did not shrink Shadat Khan's world - it expanded it. From a life-altering morning that changed everything, to the mindset, brotherhood, and guide support that helped him rebuild, this conversation is a powerful reminder that resilience is not about pretending life is easy, it's about refusing to stop. Jason Clothier sits down with his friend and fellow Mason for one of the most personal episodes of Square Talk yet. Shadat shares the moment his vision deteriorated at work, the fear and emotional fallout that followed, and the mental health reckoning that forced him to ask for help. What starts as a story of loss becomes something much bigger: a story of adaptation, trust, and the decision to keep moving forward. You'll hear how Shadat went from overweight and non-athletic to an adaptive runner preparing for major endurance challenges, including representing the UK at UTMB in Chamonix, targeting a 150-kilometre fastest known time attempt in Buckinghamshire, and setting his sights even higher with Kilimanjaro and K2 Advanced Basecamp. Along the way, he opens up about the role of his wife Ray, the support of Guide Dogs UK, and the guide runners he trusts with his life. We break down the practical and emotional realities of sight loss, the pressure of losing independence as a husband, father, and breadwinner, and why mental health is often the hidden battle people overlook. Shadat also reflects on what Freemasonry has meant to him, how the Brothers in Jersey and the Lodge of Gratitude helped restore his Masonic confidence, and why true brotherhood means walking beside someone when they cannot see the road ahead. This episode also explores the deeper meaning behind Shah Goes Far and why Shadat's message has resonated so strongly: disability is not inability, and the ability to get back up matters more than how many times life knocks you down. If you need a story of courage, perspective, and practical hope, this one hits hard. Perfect for anyone facing change, s...

Bamboozle Theatre, inclusion, and giving children a voice

51 min

This episode explores how Bamboozle Theatre creates accessible, immersive experiences for learning disabled and autistic children and their families. Host Jason Clothier speaks with Christopher Davis, Artistic Director at Bamboozle, about building safety, belonging, and agency through theatre—and how a £5,000 donation from Leicestershire and Rutland Freemasons supports that work. Christopher shares how Bamboozle’s approach helps young people communicate in ways that suit them, why time and space matter, and how the company’s work spans local family sessions and international touring. Key topics How Bamboozle creates “enabled spaces” where young people can find their voice and have it heard. Making theatre accessible for autistic and learning disabled children who may not be able to access traditional performance settings. Designing performances for dynamic audiences, with actors adapting to movement, sound, and individual responses. The difference between praise and value—and why space to explore and succeed independently matters. Amy’s story, which shows how Bamboozle noticed and supported communication that others had overlooked. The Backyard, Bamboozle’s outdoor provision, created during COVID and now in high demand from families. How donations support family sessions, workshops, and new work such as Traces, an outdoor show for autistic audiences. How Bamboozle’s approach has influenced schools, including one school that adopted a “no praise” approach. The company’s international work, including touring in Shanghai and collaborating with theatre companies in Italy. Bamboozle’s mission to help every learning disabled and autistic child in England find their voice and have it heard. Timestamps 00:00 — Opening and mission of Square Talk   01:52 — Introducing Christopher Davis and Bamboozle Theatre   03:30 — What Bamboozle does and who it serves   04:25 — Family and teacher reflections on feeling accepted   06:53 — How Bamboozle got its name   08:53 — What immersive,...

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A Masonry degree that leaves you smiling

17 min

A Masonry degree that leaves you smiling, thinking, and wanting to come back for more - that is exactly what Jason Clothier and Andy Lee unpack in this conversation about the Mark and the Royal Ark Mariner degrees. If you have ever wondered what makes these orders so different, or why members describe them as the "friendly degree," this episode gives you the answer. Jason is joined by Andy Lee, Head of the Mark Masons in Leicestershire and Rutland, for a conversation that goes far beyond tradition. Andy explains how the Mark degree draws on the world of stone masons and quarry work, why each mason's individual mark mattered, and how the ceremony teaches a powerful lesson about value, judgment, and patience. He also opens up the Royal Ark Mariner degree, from its Noah's Ark roots and rainbow regalia to the deeper moral reflections it offers about renewal, preservation, and beginning again. You'll discover: Why the Mark is described as the "friendly degree" and how it creates a genuinely uplifting experienceThe role of the three overseers and what they symbolize in the ceremonyHow the Royal Ark Mariner degree connects biblical storytelling, colorful ritual, and practical moral teachingThe core lesson behind both degrees: looking beyond first impressions and understanding deeper worthHow Masonry supports charities at national, local, and discretionary levels without the hard sellAndy also shares how these degrees shape the people who take part in them, from encouraging reflection on truth, relief, and brotherly love to creating friendships that last well beyond lodge night. His perspective on charity is especially striking, with examples ranging from national projects like blood bikes to small local causes that can be transformed by just a few hundred pounds. This is essential listening if you are curious about Freemasonry, considering the Mark as your next step, or simply interested in how ceremony, community, and charity can come together in a way that feels warm, me...

How Sight Loss Built a Runner, Leader, and Mason

39 min

Sight loss did not shrink Shadat Khan's world - it expanded it. From a life-altering morning that changed everything, to the mindset, brotherhood, and guide support that helped him rebuild, this conversation is a powerful reminder that resilience is not about pretending life is easy, it's about refusing to stop. Jason Clothier sits down with his friend and fellow Mason for one of the most personal episodes of Square Talk yet. Shadat shares the moment his vision deteriorated at work, the fear and emotional fallout that followed, and the mental health reckoning that forced him to ask for help. What starts as a story of loss becomes something much bigger: a story of adaptation, trust, and the decision to keep moving forward. You'll hear how Shadat went from overweight and non-athletic to an adaptive runner preparing for major endurance challenges, including representing the UK at UTMB in Chamonix, targeting a 150-kilometre fastest known time attempt in Buckinghamshire, and setting his sights even higher with Kilimanjaro and K2 Advanced Basecamp. Along the way, he opens up about the role of his wife Ray, the support of Guide Dogs UK, and the guide runners he trusts with his life. We break down the practical and emotional realities of sight loss, the pressure of losing independence as a husband, father, and breadwinner, and why mental health is often the hidden battle people overlook. Shadat also reflects on what Freemasonry has meant to him, how the Brothers in Jersey and the Lodge of Gratitude helped restore his Masonic confidence, and why true brotherhood means walking beside someone when they cannot see the road ahead. This episode also explores the deeper meaning behind Shah Goes Far and why Shadat's message has resonated so strongly: disability is not inability, and the ability to get back up matters more than how many times life knocks you down. If you need a story of courage, perspective, and practical hope, this one hits hard. Perfect for anyone facing change, s...

Bamboozle Theatre, inclusion, and giving children a voice

51 min

This episode explores how Bamboozle Theatre creates accessible, immersive experiences for learning disabled and autistic children and their families. Host Jason Clothier speaks with Christopher Davis, Artistic Director at Bamboozle, about building safety, belonging, and agency through theatre—and how a £5,000 donation from Leicestershire and Rutland Freemasons supports that work. Christopher shares how Bamboozle’s approach helps young people communicate in ways that suit them, why time and space matter, and how the company’s work spans local family sessions and international touring. Key topics How Bamboozle creates “enabled spaces” where young people can find their voice and have it heard. Making theatre accessible for autistic and learning disabled children who may not be able to access traditional performance settings. Designing performances for dynamic audiences, with actors adapting to movement, sound, and individual responses. The difference between praise and value—and why space to explore and succeed independently matters. Amy’s story, which shows how Bamboozle noticed and supported communication that others had overlooked. The Backyard, Bamboozle’s outdoor provision, created during COVID and now in high demand from families. How donations support family sessions, workshops, and new work such as Traces, an outdoor show for autistic audiences. How Bamboozle’s approach has influenced schools, including one school that adopted a “no praise” approach. The company’s international work, including touring in Shanghai and collaborating with theatre companies in Italy. Bamboozle’s mission to help every learning disabled and autistic child in England find their voice and have it heard. Timestamps 00:00 — Opening and mission of Square Talk   01:52 — Introducing Christopher Davis and Bamboozle Theatre   03:30 — What Bamboozle does and who it serves   04:25 — Family and teacher reflections on feeling accepted   06:53 — How Bamboozle got its name   08:53 — What immersive,...

Episode 3: Bridging the Craft: Understanding Archway

35 min

In this episode of Square Talk, host Jason Clothier sits down with Peter Kinder, Provincial Grand Master, and Noel Manby, Grand Superintendent for Leicestershire and Rutland, to discuss Archway — the new national initiative designed to strengthen the connection between Craft Freemasonry and the Royal Arch. Together, they explore how Archway supports brethren in understanding the deeper links between the two, why it matters to the Masonic journey, and how it’s being implemented here in Leicestershire and Rutland. Whether you’re a Freemason curious about taking your next step, or simply interested in learning more about the Craft and its traditions, this conversation offers an open and insightful look into how Freemasonry continues to evolve and connect. https://b.ugle.org.uk/membership/archway   https://www.leicestershire-rutlandfreemasons.org.uk/  https://www.leicestershire-rutlandfreemasons.org.uk/royal-arch 

Episode 2: What "service" looks like for Freemasons in Leicestershire and Rutland.

45 min

In this episode of Square Talk, we dive into the heart of Masonic charity in Leicestershire and Rutland. Far from being just about writing cheques, charity within Freemasonry often begins as a spark — a simple idea, a heartfelt conversation, or a small gesture that can grow into something life-changing. Host Jason Clothier is joined by Mark Pierpoint and Steve Skidmore, who share their experiences of nurturing those sparks into meaningful projects. Together, they reveal the stories behind Masonic charity: the inspiration, the challenges, and the lives touched along the way. Whether you’re curious about Freemasonry, passionate about community work, or simply love hearing stories of people making a difference, this episode will give you a deeper understanding of how charity becomes more than just giving — it becomes living. Links from this episode: Home page - The Masonic Charitable FoundationHome | FreemasonsLRFC Application For A Charity Grant, Masonic Lodge Matched Grant or Request to Pledge Funds for a Future Need.LOROS Hospice: Free care and support for terminally ill patientsHome - Dove cottageMenphys | Charity for disabled childrenBreaking the Silence on SADS | Joe Humphries Memorial Trust (JHMT)Voluntary Action LeicesterShire (VAL) | Changing lives for the better Footwear Design BA (Hons)- with optional placement yearCastle of Leicester No.7767Information about cancer | Cancer Support UK | Teenage Cancer TrustHeroes Walk - Leicester Hospitals Charity

Episode 1: Leicestershire and Rutland Freemason Open Day May 2025

35 min

We take a look back at the successful Open Day held this May at Freemasons’ Hall in Leicester — where we opened our doors to the public for a rare glimpse inside. I had the pleasure of speaking with a wide range of visitors and participants, including curious members of the public, brethren from the Widows Sons Masonic Bikers Association, and members of Women’s Freemasonry. It was a fantastic day of conversation, openness, and shared curiosity about who we are and what we do. Before we dive in, a quick note — you may notice that the sound quality in this episode isn’t quite perfect. As this is our very first podcast, I’m still learning the ropes when it comes to production and editing. But stick with me — the quality will only improve from here, and I appreciate your patience and support as we grow.

Episode 21. Why join Freemasonry?

49 min

In episode 21 we look back at an interview i conducted last week in front of an audience of people who are thinking about joining the Freemasons.

Episode 18. Inside the Masonic Kitchen!

24 min

How do masonic halls operate? and in particular, how do the kitchens work to feed the many members day in day out. In this episode we discuss the operation in Leicester's busy Freemasons' Hall with Nicola Holyoake and chef Greg Prangnell.

Episode 16. Membership & Mentoring

23 min

In this episode, we look at the role of Membership Officer, at both Lodge and provincial level, and to see the work being undertaken to promote the work Freemasonry plays within the community. We also examine the role of Lodge Mentor's play in ensuring that our new members are looked after.

Episode 15. Marching Masons

18 min

A team of fundraisers from Leicestershire & Rutland Freemasons have begun to organise a sponsored walk all around the county to raise money for local charities and good causes. Visit the website for more details: https://www.pglleics.org.uk/marching-masons

Episode 14. The Mark Degree

32 min

What is the relationship between the Craft, Royal Arch, and the Mark degree? In this episode, we speak to three of the Provinces leading figures in Mark Masonry.

Episode 12. Freemasonry and the Military

19 min

What are the similarities between the Military and Freemasonry? We explore the answers with two of the founding members of a Military Lodge, the Tudor Rose Lodge.

Episode 11. The Royal Arch

20 min

In this episode, we discuss the Royal Arch, where it fits into the story told in Craft Freemasonry, and how the order is adapting to suit the needs of the modern Freemason.

Episode 10. Communications & Freemasonry

28 min

We look at the role of Communications Officer in Freemasonry, as the tables are turned on the usual presenter of Square Talk, to understand his thoughts and opinions of how we communicate.

Episode 9. The Lodge Secretary

26 min

In this episode, we have a "Masonic Short" all about Freemasons Hall in London, and we dive into the role of Lodge Secretary, as we talk with Paul Wallace, the Provincial Grand Secretary of Leicestershire & Rutland.

Episode 8. Charity & Freemasonry

19 min

Freemasons are well known for their charitable giving, but how is this money raised, and how is it distributed to local and national charities?

Episode 7. The Universities Scheme

15 min

We talk with Andy Green, the Assistant Provincial Grand Master of Leicestershire & Rutland Freemasons about the Universities Scheme.

Episode 4. The Role of Orator in Freemasonry

26 min

In this episode we talk with David Hughes, the Provincial Grand Orator for Leicestershire & Rutland, as we dive into the role, what it is for, and how it benefits Lodge members.

Episode 2. The Lodge Almoner

11 min

We speak with the Provincial Grand Almoner, David Highton, about how Lodges are coping under the current restrictions.

Episode 1. Provincial Grand Mentor's Perspective

12 min

In this episode we talk with the Provincial Grand Mentor, Dale Page to get his views on Freemasonry during this period of lockdown due to Covid-19 and we can all do to help.

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