Kayleen Bell

TalkingPFAS

A Documentary , Society & Culture and News podcast

About the show

Talking PFAS contamination with those who live on or near it; with a wide range of experts who study PFAS and its health effects; with those who have worked with this toxic chemical; with those who are trying to remove it from the environment & people, and with the politicians and Government who have the power to fix this problem

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Talking PFAS with Professor Ravi Naidu CRC Care Australia S8 E51

Nov 10, 2026 40 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. If you are joining for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist, and your host Kayleen Bell, and this is a Sunrise Sound Productions podcast. In September Clean Up Conference was held in Adelaide South Australia. This bi-annual international conference is organised, hosted and run by CRC Care, and it focuses on addressing environmental contamination, which is one of the most pressing challenges facing humanity. Today I will be bringing you a discussion that I had with distinguished Laureate Professor Ravi Naidu who is the managing director and CEO of CRC Care and he is the Chair of the Clean Up Conference series. Now today we will be discussing contamination in general and we will also be discussing PFAS. In his welcome address to the Clean Up Conference participants from over 40 countries Ravi said “for too long environmental issues and health concerns were addressed in silos, now with increasing evidence and collaborative efforts, we are witnessing a paradigm shift where environmental management and medical science are converging, working hand in hand to safeguard human health. Professor Naidu has co-authored more than 450 technical publications and co-edited 11 books in the field of soil and environmental sciences. Recognition of his contribution to environmental research has included Fellowships of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the New Zealand Society of Soil Science, the American Society of Agronomy, and the Soil Science Society of America. Two of his joint patents are now fully commercialised with remediation plants treating contaminated waste water in three Australian states. Thank you for listening! Many thanks to today’s sponsor: Epoc Enviro https://epocenviro.com/saff-for-pfas-remediation/ Access book discussed here: https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/9783110796797/html?srsltid=AfmBOop01pATL30Fn6i8iRrbec1rYR1Ms_C9A6mRKf6XjuETCBY2lnkx Next epi...

Removing PFAS from sewage in WWTP using SAFF with Peter Murphy EPOC Enviro Australia Ep 50

Sep 2, 2026 45 min

Removing PFAS from sewage in WWTP using SAFF with Peter Murphy Epoc Enviro Australia - Episode 50 Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast, and if you are listening for the first time, a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist, and your host Kayleen Bell, and this is a Sunrise Sound Productions podcast. Due to widespread presence of PFAS globally, wastewater treatment plants have become a sink for PFAS. That is because PFAS resist degradation by conventional wastewater treatment processes and are usually adsorbed to sewage sludge and biosolids. There have been significant concerns that land application of sewage sludge and biosolids could become a probable pathway for PFAS to enter the food chain. The widespread land application of biosolids as fertiliser may represent a risk from factors such as subsequent PFAS leaching to groundwater, uptake to crops used for food or animal feed, and resulting accumulation in terrestrial and aquatic organisms. As such PFAS in biosolids present major challenges to municipalities that are generating biosolids but are passive receivers of upstream sources of PFAS. Removing PFAS from the wastewater treatment plants remains a significant challenge. My guest today is Peter Murphy Managing Director of Australian environmental engineering company EPOC Enviro. Peter is an environmental scientist, and lawyer, who has worked for more than 35 years in the environmental clean-up and remediation space. And Peter has discussed SAFF technology and foam fractionation in detail in the podcast before. I will put a link to those episodes in the show notes. Today we will be discussing EPOC Enviro’s latest use of their SAFF technology in a current trial to remove PFAS from wastewater within a wastewater treatment plant in Australia. The location of this trial can not be revealed at this time. Show Notes: I hope you enjoyed today’s episode. As mentioned in today’s episode I will be bringing you more about this topic in future episodes of Tal...

Ep 49 Alison Ling (Ali) University of St Thomas, St Paul, Minnesota Costs of removing PFAS

Nov 12, 2025 58 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast and if you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Last episode I brought you a discussion with Boston Attorney John Gardella from CMBG3 Law. This was a very informative chat about some PFAS developments in the US, and changes to the US EPA under Trump administration. Here is a little of what John had to say from Episode 48 where he is talking a change to the environmental justice law in the US. “Under the Biden Administration there was a large initiative for something we call environmental justice, which is essentially that when enacting environmental laws or pursuing sites to clean up that consideration should be made to historically poorer communities and socioeconomic backgrounds, communities where there has been historically a lot of concentration pollution because they have been in an industrial area for example. And the environmental justice program in the US has been eliminated under the EPA, under the new Trump Administration.” There is a lot of key information in that discussion with John Gardella and I encourage you to take a listen. I included that little portion from the last episode because in today’s discussion my guest and I will be talking about costs of cleaning up PFAS, and the need to reduce PFAS production. My guest today is Alison Ling. She is an Assistant Professor in Civil Engineering and works in the Department of Civil Engineering, at the University of St. Thomas, at St Paul in Minnesota. Today we will be discussing a couple of her papers. Here is a little preview from our discussion: “When I first ran those calculations it comes out as millions of dollars per kg of PFAS that you remove from the environment and that is millions of dollars whether it is from wastewater effluent, drinking water, wastewater biosolids, soils. It is almost across the board millions of dollars per kilogram and I was just blown away by tho...

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Talking PFAS with Professor Ravi Naidu CRC Care Australia S8 E51

Nov 10, 2026 40 min

Removing PFAS from sewage in WWTP using SAFF with Peter Murphy EPOC Enviro Australia Ep 50

Sep 2, 2026 45 min

Ep 49 Alison Ling (Ali) University of St Thomas, St Paul, Minnesota Costs of removing PFAS

Nov 12, 2025 58 min

Ep 48 PFAS regulation and litigation in US with Boston Attorney John Gardella from CMBG3 Law

Jul 22, 2025 57 min

Welcome back to the Talking PFAS podcast. If you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Last week I brought you a discussion with Peter Murphy, the Managing Director of EPOC Enviro. This Australian company recently managed to secure patents in Australia and the US for their SAFF technology. I encourage you to have a listen to that episode to learn more about the SAFF suite of products using foam fractionation to remove PFAS. And I would like to also take this opportunity to thank EPOC Enviro for sponsoring today’s episode of Talking PFAS podcast. You will hear a short announcement from Pete about midway through today’s episode. And at the end of today’s episode there will be a short announcement about how you can get involved with sponsorship for Talking PFAS podcast and you can read about it of course in the show notes. Today’s guest is a very welcome return guest to the Talking PFAS podcast. It is Environmental Lawyer, John Gardella, Boston Attorney, from CMBG3 Law in the United States. John had the honour of being the only person in the country that was recognised as the thought leader on PFAS in 2020 and 2021 by the esteemed National Law Review. He writes regularly for the National Law Review and his website on PFAS. We had a really interesting and informative discussion about litigation, and regulation updates in the US, including the current rollbacks that are currently happening under the Trump EPA. There is also some other really important information in today’s episode about PFAS and health effects including some new ones that are being acknowledged by the legal system in the US. John also talks about how companies need to remain vigilant at looking at their processes to see if PFAS is involved in them to protect themselves from PFAS litigation. In today’s episode we talk about one particular case which John is currently involved in at the moment where a company is bein...

Ep 47 Season 7 Peter Murphy EPOC Enviro Australia SAFF Foam Fractionation

Jul 4, 2025 1 hr 5 min

Welcome back to the Talking PFAS podcast. If you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Last episode I brought you a discussion with Adjunct Professor David Beale. He is a senior research scientist who leads the CSIRO’s Ecosurveillance Systems team in Queensland. We discussed David’s work looking at the effects of PFAS on some freshwater turtles in Queensland, following a PFAS contamination event. And I encourage you to have a listen to that episode. Today my guest and I will be discussing in depth one of many remediation methods for removing PFAS from water. Specifically we will be talking about the method of foam fractionation to remove PFAS. My guest is Peter Murphy, the Managing Director of EPOC Enviro. This Australian company has recently managed to secure patents in Australia and the US for their SAFF technology. On the 10/03/2025 EPOC Enviro announced the recent approval of its foam fractionation patent by the US Patent and Trademark Office, securing exclusive rights for SAFF technology in the territory through to December, 2040. And on the 1/04/2025 EPOC Enviro announced the approval of its foam fractionation patent by IP Australia securing exclusive rights for SAFF technology Down Under through to December 2038. EPOC Enviro first conceived of foam fractionation as a method for PFAS removal in 2015 and has since developed a fleet of PFAS remediation technologies based on this principle. The technology has now successfully treated nearly 2 billion litres (or 530,000,000+ gallons) of PFAS impacted waters across three continents. EPOC Enviro also has just released the news of the latest addition to their fleet of PFAS remediation technology being the SAFF 10 unit and you will hear more about that today from Peter. The systems have been used in Sweden, Denmark, Holland, Belgium, France, Italy, Germany, England, Australia and the US. At the moment they are going to be looking...

Ep 46 Season 7 PFAS in Turtles QLD with David Beale also for QLD SL oral history

Jun 23, 2025 1 hr 8 min

Welcome back to the Talking PFAS podcast. If you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Last episode I brought you a very interesting discussion with Dr Cheng Zhang from the Australian Institute for Bioengineering and Nanotechnology at the University of Queensland in Australia. We spoke about many things but mainly we discussed how his team of researchers have discovered that retrieved PFAS can be used in batteries. I highly recommend you have a listen to that episode to find out more. Today’s discussion will complete the PFAS collection of interviews that I have recorded for the Queensland State Library digital PFAS collection. I will put a link to that collection in today’s show notes. Now a little about my guest today, he is Adjunct Professor David Beale, a senior research scientist who leads the CSIRO’s Ecosurveillance Systems team in Queensland. The majority of David’s research career is looking at the impact of contaminants on organisms, whether it be wildlife or humans or any biological system. He has made significant contributions in the field of environmental applications using specialised omics tools to study the effects of contaminants like PFAS on wildlife. Today we will be focusing on David’s work looking at the effects of PFAS on some freshwater turtles in Queensland. He was not able to disclose the location where these turtles are indeed being affected by PFAS contamination, but he was able to say that the PFAS event that caused the contamination, occurred in around 2017/2018 in Australia. David’s team are also doing work looking at the effects of PFAS on other wildlife such as marine turtles, some snakes and frogs, including cane toads, and water dragons around South- East Queensland. David advised me that he has received a CSIRO Julius Career Award which has allowed him to meet and collaborate with environmental regulators worldwide using omics-based tools to asse...

Ep 45 Season 7 Talking PFAS Batteries Dr Cheng Zhang also for QLD SL

May 23, 2025 1 hr 2 min

Talking PFAS Episode 45 - Recorded 04/02/2025 at the ABIS QLD with Dr Cheng Zhang on PFAS in batteries and PFAS sorbents, and landfill remediation techniques. Welcome back to the Talking PFAS podcast. If you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. I am so very glad to be back to bring you a new season of Talking PFAS podcast. There is so much PFAS news to catch up on and many new developments to bring you this season from both here in Australia and globally. I will also have an important announcement at the end of today’s episode regarding sponsorship opportunities. Today’s episode is one of the final interviews I recorded for the QLD State Library digital PFAS oral history collection. This interview will be added to my publicly available and free collection of interviews held in the QLD State Library in Australia. I will put a link to that collection in the show notes. My guest today is Dr Cheng Zhang from the Australian Institute for Bioengineering and Nanotechnology at the University of Queensland in Australia. He has an outstanding track record in the fields of fluoropolymers, polymer chemistry and materials science. Today’s discussion covers many topics, and in parts it is quite technical, but you can read along with the transcript, which is automatically prepared (not by me). The transcript prepared and fact checked by me will be available in the QLD State Library collection which may take a few months to become available. Also, one important disclaimer to add regarding today’s discussion is that it is provided for information purposes only. There is a portion of our chat that discusses possible ways to reduce PFAS in the body such as blood donation, and also a possible future oral drug, that may be able to remove or reduce PFAS levels from the blood. I emphasise strongly that this area is an upcoming research area for Dr Zhang’s team and both Dr Cheng Zhang and I are...

Ep 44 Talking PFAS CRC Care Masterclass with Paul Nathanail (UK) & Scott Warner (US)

May 19, 2023 53 min

Talking PFAS Episode 44 Show Description/Notes/Links INTRO: Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. If you are new to the podcast, I encourage you to have a binge listen, as the content is, of course, still very relevant today as attention, regulation and litigation regarding PFAS chemicals continues to accelerate. Today’s discussion is an Interview with two guests who were training people at the CRC Care Risk to Remediation Masterclass in Newcastle from the 1-5 May, 2023. My guests are Paul Nathanail from Nottingham, England, Technical Director of LQM, which specialises in contaminated land management in England and around the world. I have previously interview Paul before, when he was a keynote speaker at CRC Care International Clean Up Conference in Adelaide, South Australia. You can hear that very important discussion in episode 37. My second guest is Scott Warner, from California, who is a geologist, and has specialised as a hydrogeologist studying and assessing groundwater conditions, for 40 years. Scott is the Principal Hydrogeologist for the BBJ Group. In early May I had the privilege of attending one of the training days at the CRC Care’s 4th Risk to Remediation Masterclass. This course was held from the 1-5 May, 2023, at Newcastle (NSW), Australia. I interviewed Paul and Scott at the end of a long week and a long day of very in depth training. It is important to clarify that this was not a course that was solely dedicated to PFAS remediation but remediation in general, which included PFAS. CRC Care provided me with this information following the event: “The CRC are Risk to Remediation Masterclass was a five-day course that provided participants with the cutting edge skills to manage and remediate contaminated sites in Australia and globally. This course was developed in response to the critical need to build capacity to address the growing global contamination crisis. While technical lesson...

Ep 43 (PFAS Australia) EPOC Enviro Peter Murphy SAFF - PFAS removal using Foam Fractionation - 26:4:2023, 10.11 pm

Apr 26, 2023 1 hr 5 min

Show Notes: Talking PFAS with Peter Murphy, MD EPOC Enviro (OPEC Systems) regarding PFAS remediation using their SAFF Foam Fractionation Technology – Published Wed 26/4/2023 Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. If you are joining us for the first time a very big welcome. I encourage you to listen to past episodes, with a range of really excellent guests from around the world. Just before I introduce today’s guest, I encourage you to have a listen to Episode 42, which published yesterday. It is an update of the US EPA's proposed regulations regarding PFAS in drinking water. If the proposed MCLs are approved they will become mandatory levels. As discussed in last week’s episode the guidelines and regulatory limits for certain PFAS keep going down. The number of PFAS lawsuits keep increasing, and the number of PFAS contaminated sites keeps growing. This means there will be no shortage of PFAS remediation work for quite some time. In fact, in a PFAS remediation special edition of the Environmental Business Journal published in 2019 they state, and I quote: “The Environmental Business Journal has wrestled with the extent and scale of the PFAS Era in market terms. The EBJ has published a working model which reflects a consensus on the scale of the emerging PFAS market. The EBJ model includes major contributions from both waste and wastewater system upgrades and lifestyle costs as well as remediation. The model published in 2019 points to the possibility of expenditures in excess of $160 billion over the next 20-30 years and over 40,000 sites or facilities where significant PFAS contamination will likely be identified and treated or remediated at some level.” Today’s discussion is another chat about a PFAS remediation method. Today’s guest is Peter Murphy Managing Director of an Australian based company, OPEC Systems. OPEC Systems trades as EPOC Enviro around the rest of...

Ep 42 (PFAS in US) - US EPA PFAS Regulation & Litigation US (Attorney John Gardella Boston)

Apr 25, 2023 45 min

Show Notes Talking PFAS Episode 42 – Published 25/4/2023 Welcome back to Talking PFAS Podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Today’s episode is the launch of Season 6, and I want to give a big thank you to everybody who continually listens to Talking PFAS podcast, and for sending me your emails on how much you enjoy it. If you are new to the podcast, I encourage you to have a binge, as the content, of course, is still very relevant today as attention, regulation and litigation regarding PFAS chemicals continues to accelerate. In the Talking PFAS episode today we will be taking a closer look at what US EPA is doing regarding their proposed PFAS drinking water regulation. And it is important to note that I will be giving an overview, from their overview, so for you to get the full context of what they are doing, I strongly encourage you to look at their website. Also I really encourage you to look at their two webinars. One was on the 16/3/23 and one was on the 29/3/23. They are excellent. They will give you all the information that you need whether you are somebody affected by PFAS contamination, or responsible to keep it out of drinking water, or responsible to clean it up. And also, they go into great detail in parts of these webinars, but for the most part they are very easy to understand. I just need to mention, in the intro, the proposed PFAS National Primary Drinking Water Regulation, that US EPA has proposed, is not an enforceable regulation yet, as some information online and some news articles have reported that it is. It is simply a proposal at this point. Today I am going to share some key information from the US EPA webinars on these proposed changes to drinking water regulation and I will put a link in my show notes. And also the US EPA is running a virtual public hearing on May 4 and they are asking people to register and submit comments. They will also take oral comments and written comments for this public hearing...

Ep 41 (PFAS in US) Scott Coffin California - At Clean-Up Conference 2022 Adelaide, South Australia

Feb 10, 2023 23 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast, and if you are joining us for the first time, a very big welcome. I encourage you to listen to previous episodes. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. This is the last episode of Season 5. I will be taking a publishing break until the end of March, as I conduct some more interviews. Before I introduce today’s guest, I have some news. I am very pleased to announce that a collection of my PFAS interviews is now available as an oral history collection in the QLD State Library. I will put a link to that collection in the show notes. Today’s guest is the second last guest from the 2022 International Clean Up Conference posted by CRC Care, held in Adelaide, South Australia. I have one more interview from Germany and that will go up in the break. My guest today is Dr Scott Coffin, a Research Scientist, with the California State Water Resources Control Board. This is the Agency in California that governs the drinking water and all other water resources. What I think was significant about this discussion with Scott was that from his position working for the California State Water Resources Control Board he was willing to share openly about PFAS and California’s water issues. Here is a little of what he said: “So California has a legal mandate to ensure all of the data that we collect on the environment is transparent and accessible to the public. It is a law since 2015, the Open Water Data Act and this means that any consumer in California, or anyone living in California, can find out what is in their drinking water, if they have PFAS monitored, even if it is unregulated which it often is they can find that information.” (Dr Scott Coffin) Since commencing this podcast in 2018 I have not found that same level of openness or willingness in Australia from water providers to talk about PFAS. I believe it is time that the Australian water providers, those people tasked with providing safe drinking water to the publi...

Ep 40 (PFAS in Australia) Dr Mark Bowman GHD- At Clean-Up Conference 2022, Adelaide, South Australia

Dec 30, 2022 27 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Please note I am having some technical challenges with some podcast players not updating to my latest episode, especially Apple Podcasts and Spotify, which I am in the process of fixing. I apologise for any inconvenience. But you can always find the latest episode on my podcast host Omny Studio, and Podlink, Castbox, Podcast Addict, Podlink and Google podcasts. If you enjoy this podcast please share to encourage more listeners to find this podcast. This is the finale for Season 5 of Talking PFAS. I will be releasing two more episodes from international speakers from Clean-Up Conference 2022 in January, one speaker from California (up next) and one from Germany. This will complete the series of interviews I recorded at Clean-Up Conference (2022). My guest today is Dr Mark Bowman, who is a Technical Director working for GHD based in Sydney, Australia. He has worked on PFAS since 2005 helping to assess, clean-up and manage risks associated with their use. Dr Bowman is widely published on PFAS management, and he also presented a session at the 2022 Clean-Up Conference on emerging contaminants, including PFAS. PFAS is a key focus for the team at GHD and Dr Bowman said their team had a strong presence at the Clean-Up Conference with up to 18 people attending including five from their Americas teams who are some of the leading people in North America dealing with PFAS and emerging contaminants. Dr Bowman said “GHD is championing PFAS response for clients in the Asia Pacific, Americas and Europe-Middle East. The company has industry leading PFAS response capabilities and is the most experienced and trusted team working to protect people and the environment from PFAS.” He also states: “GHD is successfully delivering PFAS contaminated site assessment, soil-water-sediment remediation, human health and ecological risk assessments, statutory audits, monitoring and strategic program...

Ep 39 (PFAS in Australia) Gavin Scherer & Rachael Casson from AECOM PFAS De-Fluoro - At Clean Up Conference 2022, Adelaide, South Australia

Dec 21, 2022 39 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS Podcast, and if you are joining us for the first time a very special welcome. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. Today’s episode was also recorded in September in Adelaide, South Australia at the International Clean-Up Conference. My guests today are Gavin Scherer and Rachael Casson from AECOM and first up I will be speaking with Gavin Scherer. Following my chat with Gavin I will be speaking with Rachael Casson, and you will hear her introduction before my discussion with Rachael. Gavin has over 23 of consulting experience in environmental and contaminated land assessment and remediation. The past 15 years has been in the service of AECOM. During his time in AECOM Gavin has led teams in both Australia and New Zealand including Australia’s largest geosciences and remediation services team, the Australian Department of Defence client account as well as Australia and New Zealand’s PFAS response teams. Currently Gavin leads AECOM’s global PFAS commercialisation strategy, which includes focusing AECOM’s global team to develop, trial and bring to market a world-first onsite cost effective PFAS destruction solution known as De-Fluoro and Gavin is going to explain what De-Fluoro is in today’s episode. Rachael serves as a Director of AECOM’s International PFAS Program focusing on innovation and technical excellence. She has over 22 years of consulting experience in contamination, assessment and management. In 2008, Rachael recognised the emerging concern over PFAS with aviation and Defence clients positioning the AECOM team at the leading edge of the PFAS science. She has worked on over 100+ PFAS related projects across the globe. Rachael is part of the De-Fluoro Technical Development Team an electrochemical process that destroys PFAS in solution. Her other research programs include plant PFAS uptake study and evaluation of the transformation of PFAS precursors into perfluoroalkyl acids (PFAAs) downgradient of known sour...

Ep 38 (PFAS in Australia) Richard Stewart RemBind PFAS solution for soil - At Clean Up Conference 2022, Adelaide, South Australia

Dec 14, 2022 18 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast and if you are joining us for the first time, a very special welcome. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. To finish this season of Talking PFAS I will be publishing the remainder of the audio I recorded in September in Adelaide at the International Clean Up Conference, hosted by CRC Care. Today’s guest is Dr Richard Stewart, he is the Managing Director of RemBind which is a local company based in Adelaide, Australia, but also has global reach. They sell PFAS remediation products globally. He is going to be talking today about the RemBind stabilisation product for PFAS and this is for use in soil. It is added to the soil and it binds up PFAS and prevents it from leaching into the groundwater. I managed to drag Richard off his stand at the Clean Up Conference in Adelaide for a very quick chat. Thank you for listening. Please subscribe (and note my new host Omny ). Please note: I am an independent journalist and a podcaster no money was received for today’s interview. If in the future money is received from remediation companies (as sponsorship) to support the continuation of this podcast I will disclose this. Also any discussions with remediation companies is for information purposes, I am not endorsing any product or remediation method over another. Contact Details RemBind: Company Website: https://rembind.com/ Email: info@rembind.com Richard Stewart Linked in: https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-stewart-8696713?original_referer= Copyright: Please share the episode (in whole) with acknowledgement via social media or website, but anyone wishing to edit, alter, or republish any information from this podcast in another form is subject to copyright and must contact the rights holder at TalkingPFAS@gmail.com. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 37 (PFAS in UK) Paul Nathanail UK LQM - At Clean Up Conference 2022 , Adelaide, South Australia

Nov 25, 2022 41 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. I am a journalist and your host, Kayleen Bell. Episode 37 - Published 25/11/2022. Thanks for being patient listeners (as I have been unwell since the Conference). It is good to be back with new episodes. For the next several weeks I will be bringing you episodes recorded at the International Clean Up 2022 Conference held in Adelaide mid-September, hosted by CRC Care. I have already published two interviews recorded at the conference, episode 35 and episode 36 and I encourage you to have a listen. There are six more to come from this conference, hopefully I can get them all up before Christmas, if not they will run into January, 2023. Today’s guest is Paul Nathanail from Nottingham, England, Technical Director of LQM, which specialises in contaminated land management in England and around the world. Paul was a keynote speaker at the Clean-Up Conference and in today’s episode we will discuss details from his talk on PFAS. In brief, Paul believes we need to form an International Working Group to look at the entire universe of PFAS and then break this universe down into galaxies of individual PFAS substances that have more or less the same chemical properties and more or less the same toxicity properties. He will explain this in more detail in today’s discussion. I would like to point out that he refers to this universe of PFAS chemicals at around 9000, and at the last count that I heard, was 12,000, so the PFAS universe seems to be growing all the time. Now to today’s chat with Paul Nathanail. LQM (Land Quality Management) based in England but they work all around the world. https://www.lqm.co.uk/ Their website states: LQM is a specialist environmental consultancy based in Nottingham (UK) with an international track record of assessing and managing the risks posed to human health and the environment by contaminants in soil. Increasingly, this is being done within a context of sustainable development and specific...

Ep 36 (PFAS in Australia) Dr Shaun Thomas EPA SA PFAS Biosolids & NEMP 3 Clean Up Conference 2022 Adelaide, South Australia

Sep 26, 2022 25 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. For the next several weeks I will be bringing you episodes recorded at the International Clean Up 2022 Conference in Adelaide mid-September, hosted by CRC Care. The Heads of EPAs of Australia and New Zealand known as (HEPA) are about to release the draft version 3.0 of the National Environmental Plan (NEMP) for public consultation. This version contains important new guidance and standards which builds on version 2.0 published in 2020. A brief overview on the draft NEMP was presented on Monday 12/9/2022 at Clean Up Conference 2022 in Adelaide by Dr Sara Broomhall who is the National co-ordinator for the PFAS NEMP & Director of Policy Advice and Integration Section from Department of Climate Change Energy, the Environment and Water. As well as being National co-ordinator of the PFAS NEMP Sara has also covered things such as Stockholm Convention’s global monitoring work and the OECD chemicals work which sets a lot of the global standards about how we do risk assessment of chemicals. The NEMP has had over 27,000 unique downloads and unique page views from over 50 countries. In NEMP 3.0 various areas requiring attention (leftover from NEMP 2.0) have been grouped under themes, and each theme is led by a jurisdiction in Australia and has a range of other jurisdictions participating and contributing to those themes. In brief: Theme 1 is PFAS Family – led by QLD – which will focus on international approaches to grouping. Theme 2 is Environmental data and monitoring – led by VIC & QLD. Theme 3 is Water – led by SA – and will focus on risk based criteria and guidance for beneficial reuse of biosolids. Theme 4 is Soil – led by NSW – and focuses on PFAS behaviour in soil including leaching and guideline values. Theme 5 is Resource Recovery & Waste – led by WA – which will focus on management of risks associated with PFAS in resource recovery products. Theme 6 is Site Specific Gu...

Ep 35 (PFAS in Australia) Prof Mark Patrick Taylor - At Clean Up Conference 2022, Adelaide, South Australia

Sep 24, 2022 26 min

For the next several weeks I will be publishing episodes from PFAS discussions I had in person with a range of people at the International Clean Up 2022 Conference which was held in Adelaide, South Australia. This conference is hosted by CRC Care, and there were over 600 delegates (including about 100) online who attended from over 28 countries. There were over 230 oral sessions, and far too many PFAS sessions to count or for one person to attend them all. Today’s guest is Professor Mark Patrick Taylor, and we will briefly discussed his research that he did with firefighters which used blood and plasma donations to reduce PFAS levels in their blood. This research was published around April 2022, and received a lot of media attention. We will also explore Mark’s opinion of what PFAS means in the environment and people’s concerns around this class of chemicals and he will also talk generally about impacts of other chemicals in our world and what he says we can all do about it. The next discussion from Clean Up 2022 will be published on Monday 26/9/22 then weekly after that until the end of October. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 34 (PFAS in Sweden) Professor Ian Cousins - "Outside the safe operating space of a new planetary boundary for PFAS"

Sep 13, 2022 40 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS Podcast I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. And if you are joining us for the first time welcome. My guest today is Professor Ian Cousins from the Department of Environmental Science at Stockholm University in Sweden. Now I have interviewed Ian before in Episode 21 when we spoke about his PFAS Essential Use paper and I highly recommend a listen to that one. Professor Cousins has a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry from the University of York and a PhD in environmental science from Lancaster University. He is well-known for his research on the sources, transport and fate and exposure pathways of PFAS. In recent years Professor Cousins has written a series of policy related articles driven by his concern about the continued use of PFAS. Today we are going to be discussing his recent perspective paper “Outside the Safe Operating Space of a New Planetary Boundary for Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances (PFAS” published in the Environmental Science & Technology journalist on the 2/8/2022. Ian and colleagues state in their conclusion: “We conclude that PFAS define a new planetary boundary that has been exceeded based on PFAS levels in environmental media being ubiquitously above guideline levels. Irrespective of whether or not one agrees with our conclusion that the planetary boundary for PFAS is exceeded. It is nevertheless highly problematic that everywhere on earth where humans reside, recently proposed health advisories can not be achieved without large investment in advanced clean up technology.” I will be heading to Adelaide in a couple of days (actually here now) for the International Clean Up Conference Adelaide 2022 where I hope to talk to a range of experts in Australia and around the world about some of those advanced clean up technologies that might exist now or be emerging so stay tuned for that one. The US EPA has made some significant announcements regarding PFAS in the last couple of months and in today’s e...

Ep 33 (PFAS in US) Boston Attorney John Gardella - Major PFAS developments in the US

Apr 21, 2022 1 hr 4 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS Podcast, and if you are joining me for the first time, welcome. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. You can reach me at TalkingPFAS@gmail.com. The following show notes and all information in today's episode are copyright. Permissions must be sought to reproduce. The episode (and show notes) may be shared in its original form and its entirety for others to listen to. Today’s guest is Boston Attorney John Gardella a shareholder at CMBG3 Law. He is a member of the firm’s PFAS team which counsels clients on PFAS related issues ranging from state violations to remediation litigation. John has been a repeat guest on Talking PFAS before and due to his experience and expertise it is always a pleasure to speak with him about PFAS and litigation in the US. In today’s discussion we will be talking about several of his articles that he has written for the National Law Review. I will put a link to the articles we discuss today and his website in the show notes. There are several points of significance in today’s discussion with John which I will briefly mention here but we will unpack the details in our chat. California OEHHA added PFOA to list of chemicals known to cause cancer: On February 25, 2022, another significant step was taken when the California Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assessment (OEHHA) added PFOA to the list of chemicals known to cause cancer. The listing will create new warning label requirements for any product sold in California that contains PFAS, and may also increase enforcement action targeting of PFOA-containing products. US EPA PFAS Roadmap: The US EPA is taking many actions in regards to PFAS, outlined in a 20-page document called the PFAS Roadmap. John says for the first time they put a timetable on when they intend to release enforceable regulations for two PFAS in drinking water. There are currently no enforceable drinking water limits at the Federal level in the United States. This is someth...

Ep 32 (PFAS Australia, Sweden, US) - Recap of Talking PFAS (from Ep 18-30)

Mar 5, 2022 34 min

Welcome back to Talking PFAS Podcast. I am a journalist and your host Kayleen Bell. If you are joining me for the first time a very big welcome to you. I want to say thank you so much to my regular listeners for being patient with me while I took an extended break, which unfortunately became longer than I wanted due to an injury I suffered, but I am very much on the mend now. I appreciate you coming back to listen to Season 5 of Talking PFAS Podcast. As always I encourage you to share the podcast with your networks, if you have found value in it, and I would appreciate your review on iTunes, or feedback via email to TalkingPFAS@gmail.com. As the content in this podcast series, even the earliest episodes, is relevant to any person working with, researching or trying hard to avoid PFAS chemicals, I do encourage you to go back and visit previous episodes. Even though I believe all episodes of this podcast series are worth a listen, if you are new to the podcast and are interested in my editor’s choice selection, I strongly suggest a listen to Episode 1, 4, and 9 to start, followed by Episodes 17, 18, 22, 24 and 31. Since learning about this class of chemicals in 2018, I have travelled to many states of Australia, and interviewed people in person or over the phone from Oakey, Williamtown, Salt Ash, Fullerton Cove, Richmond, Katherine, Tasmania, Adelaide, Canberra, Sydney, Perth and Newcastle. This year I hope to visit many more people in many more towns to discuss with residents and others how PFAS chemical contamination has affected their properties and their lives. I have also had the privilege of interviewing many international experts to discuss PFAS from their medical, scientific, remediation, political, or expert opinion. I have interviewed some fantastic international guests from California, Sweden, Texas, Washington, Boston, Michigan, Switzerland, Colorado and California. This season I will bring you some more great discussions with Australian and Internat...

Ep 31 (PFAS in US) Alissa Cordner, The True Cost of PFAS, Environmental Sociologist Washington State, US, Season Finale

Jul 25, 2021 50 min

My special guest today is Alissa Cordner an Environmental Sociologist and Associate Professor in the Sociology Department at Whitman College which is in Eastern Washington State in the US. She has been working on PFAS since about 2014. She is the co-director of the PFAS Project Lab which is based at North Eastern University with Phillip Brown who is the other co-director. Alissa says "over the last 6-7 years we have been working on PFAS from a variety of social science perspectives, starting by trying the understand the social and scientific discovery of this class of chemicals and understand why they remain in such wide use, and production, and why they are such a ubiquitous contaminant, given that at least some actors have known for 50 years about their toxicity and exposure concern. What it is that has gotten us into this situation? We have worked on PFAS activism, trying to understand the rise of social movement activity related to PFAS and currently we are working on a number of projects and one of them is trying to understand the full and multifaceted costs of PFAS contamination." Today we discuss a commentary paper she and her team of experts have written called The True Cost of PFAS and the Benefits of Acting Now" which was published in Environment Science and Technology Journal on the 7 July 2021. Today's episode of Talking PFAS is the Season Finale and the last episode for 2021. The podcast will return on the 25th of January, 2022. I will be taking a 3 month break to recharge my batteries, and then begin research and production of the next season of Talking PFAS, and I have some great guests lined up already. I hope in this extended break that you re-listen to some of your favourite episodes. I will also tweet some of my favourite episodes each month. Episodes mentioned in today's discussion, or episodes which complement today's discussion, are Episode 2, 9, 13, 14, 17, 21, 22, 23, 24, 27, 29, and I highly recommend listening for the first time or listen...

Ep 30 (PFAS in US) Dr Katie Pelch Fort Worth Texas discusses the PFAS Tox Database

Jul 12, 2021 26 min

My guest today is Dr Katie Pelch from Fort Worth Texas. She is an Assistant Professor at the University of North Texas Health Science Centre. Dr Katie Pelch and colleagues published the PFAS-TOX Database in April, 2021. The database currently includes 29 of the most commonly studied PFAS mapped to 15 health outcome categories. Katie said what they found was quite a surprise. Contrary to the notion that there is very little research on replacement PFAS, the PFAS-TOX Database identified 742 studies on 29 select PFAS other than PFOS and PFOA that have been measured in the environment or in people. Many of the findings reflect health effects already linked to PFOA and PFOS, yet few PFAS in the data base have received regulatory attention. PFAS manufacturers continue to make and use new PFAS with very little oversight. This is one reason why experts in the field are urging the management of all PFAS as a single class of chemicals. Katie says the purpose of this database is to support government, businesses, academics and impacted citizens in quickly assessing the state of the science so that they can make timely decisions that protect public health and the environment. For today’s discussion you might find it helpful to have the PFAS-TOX Database open (see link below) but you can certainly listen to the episode without that. SHOW NOTE LINKS: PFAS-TOX Database https://pfastoxdatabase.org/ Scientific Basis for Managing PFAS as a Chemical Class Kwiatkowski et al Published June 30, 2020 Environmental Science & Technology Letters https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.0c00255 “Cancer-causing chemicals found in Fort Worth well. Could they be in city water?” - Article Haley Samsel Fort Worth Star-Telegram July 10, 2020 https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/fort-worth/article244096547.html ATSDR Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry – Statement on Potential Intersection between PFAS Exposure and Covid-19 https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/pfas/health-effects/in...

Ep29 (PFAS in US) PFAS in cosmetics with Boston Attorney John Gardella Talking PFAS News

Jun 27, 2021 20 min

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/pfas-cosmetics-financial-and-insurance-companies-notice PFAS in Cosmetics: Financial and Insurance Companies on Notice – Monday, June 21, 2021 John Gardella CMBG3 Law Today's Talking PFAS News Episode is a discussion with Boston Attorney John Gardella from CMBG3 Law in Boston. John has been a previous guest on the podcast in Episode 24 and I highly recommend a listen to that Episode too. Today we will be discussing PFAS in cosmetics in the US. We will be focusing our discussion on John's recent article published 21/6/21 in The National Law Review "PFAS in Cosmetics: Financial and Insurance Companies on Notice." In this article he writes about a recent Bill that was introduced into the Senate on the 15/6/21, called the "No PFAS in Cosmetics Act 2021." John also wrote about a recent study published in the Environmental Science & Technology Letters by Whitehead et al (corresponding author Graham F. Peaslee) called "Fluorinated Compounds in North American Cosmetics." John writes in his article "This study examined 231 cosmetic products sold in the United States and Canada. 52% of the products contained some degree of PFAS." https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.estlett.1c00240 Study “Fluorinated Compounds in North American Cosmetics” Environmental Science & Technology Letters Whitehead et al – Corresponding author Graham F. Peaslee At the time of publishing today’s episode of Talking PFAS News, this article has had 47219 views. Listeners you might remember in Episode 22 I discussed the use of PFAS in cosmetics with Juliane Gluge from Zurich Switzerland, as we discussed her paper “An Overview of the Uses of PFAS” In the supplementary material link below she described many cosmetic and personal care products where PFAS have been used, and may still be used. I highly recommend a listen to that episode as well. https://www.rsc.org/suppdata/d0/em/d0em00291g/d0em00291g1.pdf 2.28 Personal care products and cosmetics – Page 198 “PFAS ha...

Ep 28 (PFAS in US) PFAS Michigan Talking PFAS Feature with reporter Garret Ellison

Jun 18, 2021 55 min

My special guest today is Garret Ellison, an investigative environment reporter, at MLive and Grand Rapids Press in Michigan who covers Michigan environment and The Great Lakes. Since 2016 he has specialised on reporting on PFAS and their impact on Michigan's people and environment. From 2017 to 2019 PFAS was about the only issue he was writing about, but he says he has lost count of how many PFAS articles he has written. As an investigative reporter he has broken many PFAS stories. His PFAS work has directly influenced State environmental policy and the creation of Michigan's first State specific drinking water standards for harmful chemicals. My discussion with Garret today will include the following 3M's lawsuit against the State of Michigan. We will also discuss PFAS contamination in the Wolverine Worldwide contamination in Rockford, where a nearby resident's blood test results returned at a staggering level of 5,000,000 ppt! We also discuss PFAS in Wurtsmith Air Force Base, in Oscoda. I highly recommend a listen to the previous episode 27 Talking PFAS News where Garret discusses two new bills just introduced into Congress this month, and if passed will directly affect the military regarding PFAS. Also in that episode we discuss some new preliminary research from Indiana, that reveals PFAS levels in a rain sample from Cleveland Ohio returned levels of 1000ppt. You can read many PFAS articles that Garret has written here: https://muckrack.com/garretellison/bio See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 27 (PFAS in US) PFAS in Michigan, PFAS in rain, 3M sues State of Michigan, Reporter Garret Ellison Mlive Talking PFAS News

Jun 14, 2021 19 min

Today’s Talking PFAS News is focused on PFAS in Michigan, Great Lakes, and also some new pending legislation that could result in stricter rules for the US military regarding PFAS. My special guest is Award Winning investigative/enterprise environment reporter Garret Ellison from MLive and Grand Rapids Press in Michigan. Today we discuss three of his recent stories, and because of Garret’s extensive PFAS reporting, he will also be the special guest in the next Talking PFAS Feature which will publish on June 17, 2021. In today’s episode we only have time to briefly mention that in April, 2021 3M filed a lawsuit against the State of Michigan which seeks to invalidate their new drinking water and groundwater clean-up limits for PFAS. In Talking PFAS Feature Garret talks much more about the 3M lawsuit as well as many other PFAS contamination issues in the Michigan and Great Lakes area. For today’s show notes I am publishing links to three of Garret’s articles (with short excerpts) published by MLive and used with Garret’s permission. It might be useful to have Garret's articles open as you listen today. Links & Excerpts to articles in today’s discussion by Garret Ellison, content used with permission “It’s literally raining PFAS around the Great Lakes, say researchers.” June 8, 2021 “CLEVELAND, OH — Rain that fell on Ohio this spring contained a surprisingly high amount of toxic “forever chemicals” known as PFAS, according to raw data from a binational Great Lakes monitoring program that tracks airborne pollution. Rainwater collected in Cleveland over two weeks in April contained a combined concentration of about 1,000 parts-per-trillion (ppt) of PFAS compounds. That’s according to scientists at the Integrated Atmospheric Deposition Network (IADN), a long-term Great Lakes monitoring program jointly funded by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and Canada.” Source Garret Ellison MLive gellison@mlive.com https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/06/its-literall...

Ep 26 (PFAS in Australia) Talking PFAS News Tasmania use of PFAS Firefighting Foams - Guests Rob Inglis Journalist Sharon McLay candidate state election May 2021

Jun 1, 2021 28 min

Today's extended Talking PFAS News edition is discussing the use of firefighting foams containing PFAS in Tasmania. Primarily this episode focuses on the use of PFAS firefighting foams by the Tasmanian Fire Service (TFS). PFAS became an issue of focus during the recent State election in May. My guests today are journalist Rob Inglis from The Examiner and Advocate Newspapers in Hobart, and Sharon McLay who was a candidate for the Animal Justice Party in the recent election. Sharon also has a 30 year history of previously being a professional firefighter for the MFB in Victoria. Rob Inglis wrote some recent articles about PFAS foams in Tasmania after firefighters refused to use foams which contain PFAS. The United Firefighters Union have also shared their opinion with Rob Inglis and at a press conference (prior to the May State election) in Hobart. Today's episode also will include statements from AirServices and TasPorts regarding their use of firefighting foams containing PFAS or actions to remove them. In 2018 the Tasmanian EPA published a PFAS Action Plan for Tasmania, which was updated in August, 2019. This update provides a record of actions taken so far by TFS, Airservices and Tasports. Plus I received updated comments from these organisations which are read throughout today's episode. SHOW NOTES: Rob Inglis Journalist - Recent PFAS Articles discussed today: https://www.examiner.com.au/story/7219762/really-nasty-firies-ablaze-over-use-of-toxic-foam-in-tasmania/ https://www.examiner.com.au/story/7233142/tasmanian-firefighters-refuse-to-use-pfas-foam-linked-to-cancer/ Remediation of PFAS-related impacts ongoing scrutiny and review - Australian PFAS Inquiry JSCFADT https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Foreign_Affairs_Defence_and_Trade/PFASRemediation Tasmania PFAS Action Plan - Progress Update August 2019: https://epa.tas.gov.au/Documents/PFAS%20Action%20Plan%20for%20Tasmania%20Progress%20Update%20Aug%202019.pdf See omnystudio.com/l...

Ep 25 NSW EPA PFAS Firefighting Ban - Claire Smith Environmental Lawyer Talking PFAS News 17 May 2021

May 16, 2021 11 min

My special guest today is Environmental Lawyer Claire Smith from Clayton UTZ in Sydney, Australia to discuss and explain the NSW EPA PFAS Firefighting Ban, Below is a portion of her written commentary on 18 March, 2021. "The Environmental Operations (General) Amendment (PFAS Firefighting Foam) Regulation 2021 has been introduced and will impose a ban on the use of PFAS-containing firefighting foam in NSW, subject to some exceptions. On 1 March 2021, The NSW Government Introduced the Environmental Operations (General) Amendment (PFAS Firefighting Foam) Regulation 2021. The Regulation will amend the Protection of the Environment Operations (General) Regulation 2009 and impose a ban on the use of per- and poly- fluoroalkyl substances (PFAS). NSW is the third jurisdiction in Australia to regulate PFAS use, and the second jurisdiction to introduce a ban, after Queensland began regulating PFAS-containing firefighting foams in 2016 and South Australia introduced a similar ban in 2018. The Ban on the use of PFAS firefighting foam for the purposes of training and demonstrations came into effect on 1 April, 2021 with other restrictions operating from 26 September, 2022 onwards. The Regulation will make it a criminal offence to: Use PFAS firefighting foam for the purposes of firefighting training or demonstrationsUse PFAS except to extinguish a "catastrophic" fire, or fire that has the potential to be catastrophic (a catastrophic fire is defined in the Regulation to mean a fire involving a combustible accelerant, including petrol, kerosene, oil, tar, paint or polar solvents including ethanol) or to extinguish a fire on a watercraft in State or prescribed watersSell a portable fire extinguisher containing the precursor to PFAS firefighting foam. The maximum penalty for any of these offences will be $44,000 for a corporation and $22,000 for an individual." Written by Claire Smith & Cloe Jolly Clayton UTZ https://www.claytonutz.com/knowledge/2021/march/nsw-introduces-ban-...

Ep 24 Boston Attorney John Gardella CMBG3 Law Talking PFAS Feature US Litigation

May 6, 2021 41 min

Today's 'Talking PFAS Feature' (recorded 30/4/2021) is a very open and insightful discussion with Boston Attorney, John Gardella, from CMBG3 Law. If you have any interest at all in PFAS Litigation, you don't want to miss this episode. In this episode we discuss litigation in detail in Michigan, Alaska, and we touch on recent litigation in Sweden. This episode will be of interest to a very broad audience. John says currently 550 lawsuits sit on a docket in South Carolina related to PFAS in AFFF, but there are hundreds of PFAS litigation matters in the US that do not relate to AFFF. John Gardella is a Shareholder at CMBG3 Law in Boston, a law firm specialising in the regulatory, litigation, and compliance aspects of numerous environmental and toxic torts issues. He is a member of the firm’s PFAS Team, which counsels clients on PFAS related issues ranging from state violations to remediation litigation. Mr. Gardella has over 15 years of experience litigating environmental and toxic torts matters, including asbestos, PFAS, benzene, lead paint, mold, talc, hazardous waste and pollution matters. John has written two articles recently for The National Law Review (see show notes for Ep 23) about a recent PFAS suit against a paper mill and associated landfill, that settled for 11.9 million in Michigan and a very recent litigation action filed by the Attorney in Alaska against 30 companies for PFAS contamination of the environment. We discuss these today, see links below. The state is looking to collect costs for any past, current or future costs it has or will need to expense to clean up PFAS. Alaska also seeks triple damages, John explains how this works. John says "CMBG3 Law has handled several PFAS litigation cases but numerous compliance related questions (so a company that has not been sued but is looking to take steps to curb PFAS use, comply with regulations, or needs help figuring out where their risks are). We actually do not represent either DuPont or 3M (the t...

Ep 23 Talking PFAS NEWS - PFAS Litigation Alaska, Michigan & Sweden

May 3, 2021 22 min

It is so good to be back after a long season break, for Season 4 of Talking PFAS podcast. There is some important changes this season, as you might have noticed. Today's episode includes a short recap of Season 3 guests and also incorporates the NEW There is so much PFAS news occurring that I decided to create news episodes to cover more PFAS information from Australia and around the world. These news episodes will publish every fortnight, on a Monday. But don't fret if you really love the old format I will still be doing longer interviews and putting these episodes up about every six weeks, these will be called Please feel free to let me know what you think of this change and send me leads at TalkingPFAS@gmail.com. The next Talking PFAS News will publish on 19/5/2021.Talking PFAS News.Talking PFAS Features. Today's Talking PFAS News features discussion about several PFAS litigation events that have occurred or are currently in motion, in Alaska, Michigan, and Sweden. I also include some of my recent interview with Environmental Attorney John Gardella from CMBG3 Law in Boston. He breaks down the current litigation action in Alaska which was filed by the Attorney General against 30 companies, and John also fills us in on the recent PFAS settlement, against a paper mill in Michigan, which settled for $11.9 million US dollars. I had a fabulous and very interesting talk with John Gardella who is the guest in the first Talking PFAS feature for the year which will publish on 6 May 2021, and you don't want to miss this one, if you have any interest in PFAS litigation. John Gardella wrote about both the Alaska and Michigan PFAS litigation in The National Law Review and I will include links in the show notes below. Also in this episode I was kindly given permission by Dave Russell, from Radio Sweden Weekly to play a portion of audio from his show which aired on 15/4/2021. Special thanks to Dave and his team for allowing me to do this. He explains a recent class action whi...

Ep 22 (PFAS Switzerland - Uses of PFAS) Juliane Gluge, Zurich Switzerland PFAS Uses "We found over 200 uses and I identified over 1,400 chemicals that have been applied in these uses"

Dec 31, 2020 59 min

This is the last episode for 2020, and the podcast will be on a season break, as I take a break and am in production for a new season in 2021 (publishing end of April). Thank you to all my amazing guests in 2020, and to all the listeners who have continued to listen in a very challenging year. Today's discussion is a fascinating talk with my guest from Zurich, Switzerland. Juliane Gluge and her team spent over a year writing her PFAS Uses paper, "An Overview of the Uses of PFAS," and compiling very detailed extra material to go with her paper. The paper was peer reviewed and accepted for publication in the Environmental Science Processes and Impacts Journal on the 23rd of September, 2020. Juliane is a Senior Researcher in the Environmental Chemistry Group at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, called ETH Zurich and this is one of the largest universities in Switzerland. She has done her PhD under the supervision of Martin Scheringer. She studied Biotechnology in Germany, so by training is an engineer in biotechology. She is an environmental scientist who has worked on sources, fate and transport of persistent organic pollutants, including PFAS. There are so many PFAS uses that I had no idea about until this discussion, including PFAS in ammunition, climbing ropes, guitar strings, contrast agents in MRI, and other medical applications. Juliane and her team provide three extra ESI - Electronic Supporting Information documents which are well worth a look, especially ESI-1 which expands on the uses listed in the Appendix of her main paper. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation, and I know you will too, and there will be plenty of information for your to look at while Talking PFAS is on a break. Thank you again for listening. SHOW NOTES: Article: 2017, "A Breath of Fresh Perfluorocarbon" by Daniel Carroll with video presentation by PhD student Diane Nelson (Biomedical Engineering) - "Drug delivery to the lungs using Perfluorocarbon emulsions." https://enginee...

EP 21 Ian Cousins Sweden "We think the PFASs are problematic because of the high persistence ...it's going to take decades to learn about all of the substances in the class..."

Oct 31, 2020 1 hr 1 min

My guest today is Professor Ian Cousins, from the Department of Environmental Science and Analytical Chemistry (ACES), Stockholm University, Sweden. He has been studying PFAS chemicals for over 20 years, and is well known in the field for his PFAS research. The focus for today's discussion is his paper published in 2019 called "The concept of essential use for determining when use of PFASs can be phased out." Ian and his colleagues state in their paper that "A phase-out of many uses of PFASs can be implemented because they are not necessary for the betterment of society in terms of health and safety, or because functional alternatives are currently available that can be substituted into these products or applications. Some specific uses of PFASs would be considered essential because they provide for vital functions and are currently without established alternatives. However, this essentiality should not be considered as permanent; rather, constant efforts are needed to search for alternatives." Ian also gives some detail about his latest PFAS project Perforce3, a large European funded project focusing on PFAS called Perforce3. The project will be training 15 PhD's in a wide range of aspects of PFAS science including understanding exposure and toxicology of PFAS, and solutions to remove PFAS from the environment. The project started on 1/1/2020 and . It is a collaboration between different organisations in Europe from 6 different countries and 9 Universities and 4 independent research centres. The project will continue until the end of 2023. SHOW NOTES: ." Ian T Cousins et al 2019"The concept of essential use for determining when uses of PFASs can be phased out https://doi.org/10.1039/C9EM00163H "" Rainer Lohmann, Ian T. Cousins et al 2020Are Fluoropolymers really of low concern for human and environmental health and separate from other PFAS? DOI: 10.1021/acs.est.0c03244 "" Juliane Gluge et al 2020An overview of the uses of per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFA...

Ep 20 CSIRO QLD Dr Paul Bertsch "It's a significant global challenge ...it's been ubiquitously distributed throughout the environment."

Sep 25, 2020 50 min

Dr Paul Bertsch is the Science Director of Land and Water at CSIRO Ecosciences Precinct in Dutton Park, Brisbane, QLD. "Well the big turning point for the whole scientific community, and I know my colleague in CSIRO really took notice as well, would be 2001." Paul says the CSIRO has been mainly involved in looking at the fate and transport of PFAS contaminants in the environment. CSIRO are interesting in developing models to predict the transport. Developing models to predict how it's partitioned in soil, how it moves in groundwater, and then how it is taken up by eco receptors. He says PFAS is a significant global challenge. Paul said he "would really like to see a future where science would inform policy in a way that is transparent to not only to government but also to community." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 19 Leisa-Maree Toms QLD QUT PFAS in Blood "We can see in our human biomonitoring that the general population are exposed..."

Jul 31, 2020 50 min

This is a fascinating talk with QLD researcher Leisa-Maree Toms from the Queensland University of Technology (QUT) in Brisbane. It was recorded before the Covid-19 lockdown in Australia on the 17/2/2020. Leisa has been involved in human biomonitoring in Australia, looking at a range of contaminants in human blood including PFAS. Blood samples for the human biomonitoring program in Australia were first collected as part of The National Dioxin Program in Australia. Out of curiosity researchers used these samples, first collected in 2002, to have a look for PFAS. They have been monitoring for PFAS since that time. Leisa-Maree explains that the human biomonitoring program looks at background levels in the general population, with its main focus being on PFAS in blood samples collected from people in South East Queensland. However Leisa-Maree has been successful in obtaining funding from a NHMRC grant to broaden her their research to other states and territories of Australia. Sample: : "KayleenDo you think that the continued monitoring of PFAS chemicals in Australia is an important thing to do, both for background levels, and also individuals?" Leisa-Maree: "So certainly for background levels, since we have seen this decrease over time. If you want to be comparing occupationally exposed or residentially exposed concentrations you need an up to date background level. So for that reason, it is important to keep monitoring because we have seen a decrease, are we now going to plateau? Are we going to keep on decreasing? Are there secondary exposures that we might be exposed to? Will we see an increase? I think to stay up to date, it is really important to keep that monitoring going." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 18 Prof Chris Higgins "I have certainly described this as what I think is a major challenge for my generation of environmental engineers"

Jun 20, 2020 51 min

Today's episode is a fascinating discussion with Professor Chris Higgins from the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering, Colorado School of Mines U.S. Chris was visiting Australia in March 2020 to discuss work on a PFAS soil washing project being conducted in Adelaide SA. Chris was attending a project meeting to discuss this project at QHAES, Brisbane and this interview was conducted there on the 3/3/2020, just before everything started to get locked down because of Covid-19. I am very glad I got the chance to talk with Professor Chris Higgins about PFAS because his chemistry background plus his extensive knowledge of PFAS chemicals produced a very informative and interesting discussion. It is an episode that you do not want to miss if you want to understand the behaviour of this complex group of chemicals known as PFAS. Chris said " I have certainly described this as what I think is a major challenge for my generation of environmental engineers. We are going to be dealing with this for a long time to come." See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 17 - PFAS Biosolids Landfills WWTP Floodwaters - Christie Gallen University of QLD

Nov 17, 2019 53 min

This is the final episode for Season 2 and 2019 - Taking a longer break (for other PFAS work) next one due approximately May/June 2020 In today’s episode I will be talking PFAS in the waste streams and their release back into the environment, and possible effects of some of these transmission pathways on agriculture and hence the food chain. For the main discussion I will be talking with researcher, Christie Gallen, from the University of Queensland in Brisbane, discussing her research into PFASs in landfill leachate, WWTPs, biosolids and QLD floodwaters. Christie has a background in Chemistry and Biology and has an Honours degree in Chemistry. She currently works as a research assistant in Brisbane. Throughout today’s episode I will bring in some facts from Christie’s research papers and also put a link to her four papers in the show notes. I will also incorporate other relevant information about PFAS in landfills, biosolids, and WWTPs, and also highlight some brief overseas case study examples from Michigan, Maine, and even Alaska. Show Notes: Research Gallen et al 1. PFAS flood waters Spatio-temporal assessment of perfluorinated compounds in the Brisbane River system, Australia: Impact of a major flood event (2014) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0025326X14001106 2. A mass estimate of perfluoroalkyl substance (PFAS) release from Australian wastewater treatment plants (2018) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653518310981 3. Australia-wide assessment of perfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS) in landfill leachates (2017) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389417300870?via%3Dihub 4. Occurrence and distribution of brominated flame retardants and perfluoroalkyl substances in Australian landfill leachate and biosolids (2016) https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0304389416302539?via%3Dihub Bloomberg Environment Parts Per Billion Podcast - Maine Dairy Farmer Fred Stone PFAS & Biosolids http...

Ep 16 - Helena Hinrichsen, Sweden "It is a nasty contaminant we still have lots to investigate about just how toxic it is and I think it needs to be more known to the public what PFAS is."

Oct 4, 2019 26 min

Helena Hinrichsen is an Environmental Engineer from EnvyTech Solutions AB, Sweden was a presenter at the 2019 Clean Up Conference held in Adelaide between 8-12 September. I caught up with her at the conference for a short interview, where we discuss some of the challenges with remediation of PFAS. Helena believes there is not one solution for a PFAS problem, and that collaboration is key to solving the PFAS problem. She says the main three treatments for PFAS are thermal, chemistry and mechanical and Helena says "by combining them we can get a better solution than just using one of them." Helena is involved in, what she believes is the first project in the world, where they are using two combined methods for stabilisation both for groundwater and unsaturated soil, which is the soil above the groundwater. Today's talk is a bit technical but it was great to hear about some methods for treating PFAS. Helena also says, "I think what we all need to know is that we actually are moving forward. It is not always bad things. Yeah it is bad, it is really bad, but good things are happening. Man created it and we are really good at creating things so solutions are coming along so I see there is hope." Show Note Links: Guest speaker Helena Hinrichsen, Project Manager, EnvyTech Solutions AB Sweden http://envytech.se/om-envytech/ "Helena has long experience in planning and project management of remediation works and possesses top-level expertise in soil and groundwater treatment techniques. Helena also has long experience of working with overall commitments on remediation projects, which includes all information from the notification and public contacts to planning, project management, monitoring and final reporting." CRC Care has published a link from the 2019 Clean Up Conference where you can download presentations from a range of sessions, including many PFAS sessions. This is where you can see the full presentation by Ian Cousins, Stockholm University, Sweden (mentioned br...

Ep 15 Clean Up Conference 2019 Professor Ravi Naidu "PFAS is one contaminant that I believe is far more challenging to come up with a solution than arsenic or lead"

Sep 15, 2019 23 min

Today's discussion is with Professor Ravi Naidu the founder of CRC Care. This interview was recorded at the CRC Care 2019 Clean Up Conference held in Adelaide, Australia between 8-12 September. There were 700 delegates representing 35 countries, with many world leaders in the field of remediation. In this episode Professor Naidu talks about the important work that CRC Care do in bringing industry, regulators, polluters, and academic professionals together. He says "CRC Care is a Co-operative Research Centre for Contamination Assessment and Remediation of the Environment. Our job is to develop innovative technologies and solutions for the prevention, assessment and remediation of contaminated land." He said there are over 160,000 contaminated sites in Australia (*NB there are not all PFAS sites). He said if PFAS sites were included there would be more than 160,000 contaminated sites in Australia mainly in urban areas. In the last 20 years, he says Australia has only managed to remediate about 5% of these sites. Professor Naidu believes PFAS is a far more challenging contaminant than arsenic or lead to come up with solutions. Professor Naidu also discusses CRC Care's funding challenges as their Commonwealth Government funding is due to expire 30 June 2020 and he explains what that would mean in relation to contaminated sites in Australia, if CRC Care failed to continue. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep - 14 Jennifer Spencer Oakey QLD "I live in fear every day. I live in anguish every day. I want my choices given back to me"

Jul 20, 2019 56 min

Jennifer Spencer had a dream of training race horses on her own property. In 2012, she bought a property in Oakey, QLD to fulfil that dream where she wouldn't have water worries. But shortly after buying that property she discovered that the abundant bore was contaminated with PFAS chemicals, from AFFF fire fighting foam used by Defence, at the Oakey Army Aviation Centre since the 1970's. Jennifer along with many hundreds of residents in Australia have been fighting to get compensation. The Australian Government has still not responded to the recommendations from the 2018 PFAS Inquiry. The Australian Government has also just stopped the free PFAS blood tests for Oakey, Katherine and Williamtown and the free mental health counselling via Support Now, as at 30 June, 2019. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 13 - Dianne Priddle & David Jefferis Oakey QLD "We were excited to find our final home...we were actually buying in a contamination zone but we did not know."

May 11, 2019 57 min

Today's episode is the journey of two QLD stud producers, Dianne Priddle and David Jefferis, who live in the Department of Defence's PFAS management area in Oakey. Dianne also has MS and fears that the stress will advance her condition. They are proud stud producers, and fear for their future because of PFAS contamination that is migrating towards them from the Army Aviation Centre Oakey. This is their story and it is also a pre-election special as they talk about what they want and need the Government to do for them. Australia is one week away from a Federal election. The commencement of the joint class action trial for Oakey Williamtown and Katherine residents has been put off - it is no longer the 12/8/2019 - no new date has been set. Residents all around Australia are disappointed by the news. The Australian Liberal Government is yet to respond to the recommendations of the Committee from the 2018 PFAS Inquiry. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 12 - Professor Cathy Banwell ANU Canberra "Obviously people had concerns about their physical health. One of the things that was said by many people was that they felt "stuck"

Apr 22, 2019 37 min

This episode is an interview with Professor Cathy Banwell. We discuss the Focus Group Study Report that was released by ANU Canberra on 19 March, 2019. This report is one component of the PFAS Health Study which is being conducted by ANU Canberra. Professor Banwell is a Co-Investigator on the PFAS Health Study and was the Lead of the Focus Groups. Focus groups were conducted in three communities, Katherine (NT) Williamtown (NSW) and Oakey (QLD). These three communities are the only communities the ANU has been commissioned to work in, even though there are many sites in Australia, including 27 Defence bases which have been or are currently being investigated for PFAS. Additional focus groups were held in three Aboriginal communities on the outskirts of Katherine and also separate focus groups were held in Williamtown, Oakey and Katherine for Defence personnel, contractors and their families. This report provides more detail of the many social, physical, financial, mental and emotional effects PFAS is having on communities. The Australian Government now has recommendations from two PFAS Inquiries conducted in Australia in 2015 & 2018 and now the ANU Focus Group Study Report to inform their decision making and hopefully help them respond to the many communities around Australia who are struggling with the many effects of PFAS contamination on and around their properties. The Australian Government is still due to respond to the recent 2018 PFAS Inquiry. https://rsph.anu.edu.au/files/FINAL%20PFAS%20Health%20Study%20Focus%20Groups%20Report%20February%202019_3.pdf See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 11 - "We found that PFASs measured in blood are associated with weight gain." Assistant Professor Andres Cardenas University of California Berkeley

Apr 6, 2019 47 min

Today’s episode is a conversation with Assistant Professor Andres Cardenas from the University of California, Berkeley. Dr Cardenas has been the lead author of two PFAS studies but the focus of today’s conversation is his research published in 2018. The objective of the study was to determine the extent to which PFASs are associated with increases in weight and body size and evaluate whether a lifestyle intervention modifies this association. “We found that PFASs measured in blood are associated with weight gain. However we see that exercise and diet, so this is a lifestyle intervention of exercise and diet was able to attenuate this weight gain, that is associated with this PFAS exposure.” The importance of Dr Cardenas’s research is because PFASs are chemicals that are suspected endocrine disruptors. Show Notes: Episode 11 1. Research Paper Cardenas et al Published 2/10/2017 in Environmental Health Perspectives: https://doi.org/10.1289/EHP1612“Plasma Concentrations of Per- and Polyfluoroalkyl Substances at Baseline and Associations with Glycemic Indicators and Diabetes Incidence among High-Risk Adults in the Diabetes Prevention Program Trial.” 2. Research Paper Cardenas et al Published August 31, 2018 in JAMA Network Open: 10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2018.1493“Association of Perfluoroalkyl Substances with Adiposity.” 3. Research Paper (Dr Cardenas referred to in the show by colleagues who found similar PFAS & weight gain associations) https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1002502 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 10 - Breaking News Australian Government to provide $4.7 million to support University of Newcastle HEMP PFAS remediation project

Mar 23, 2019 33 min

In Episode 6, I interviewed Dr Brett Turner from the University of Newcastle and we discussed the original work he, and his team have been doing using HEMP plant proteins to remove PFAS from water. Last time we spoke in 2018 he was waiting on funding to take his 'Australian first' research to the next level. In Episode 8, Senator Brian Burston from the United Australia Party was confident he could arrange funding for Dr Brett Turner's work with the Finance Minister Senator Mathias Cormann. His efforts were successful and the Australian Government will be providing $4.7 million to support the work of Dr Brett Turner and Professor Scott Sloan from the University of Newcastle. This episode features interviews with Senator Brian Burston, Dr Brett Turner and also the Federal Member for Paterson Meryl Swanson, who was also working behind the scenes to try and get funding for the HEMP project. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 9 (Season 2) Wrap of 2018 PFAS Inquiry - Australia "The financial damage is enormous. The physical damage the emotional damage is terrifying. I am so scared of what is going to happen to my property."

Mar 2, 2019 59 min

In Australia in 2018 a PFAS Inquiry looking at PFAS contamination in and around Defence bases was conducted. The Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade presented their report to Government on the 3/12/2019. The Australian Government is due to respond to the committee's report and their recommendations by the 3/3/2019. In this episode you will hear Mr Andrew Laming, the former Chair of the Committee's address to the House of Representatives plus many voices and stories from residents affected by PFAS contamination from Williamtown (NSW), Oakey (QLD) and Katherine (NT) plus a few other witnesses from the various public hearings. Show Notes: Home page to the 2018 PFAS Inquiry - where you can access submissions, transcripts from public hearings, the Committee's Report plus the Governments response (when available - due 3/3/2019) https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Foreign_Affairs_Defence_and_Trade/InquiryintoPFAS/Report_1 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 8 - "We have to remediate, we have to buy back properties from innocent victims that are not responsible for this" NSW Senator Brian Burston United Australia Party - Season Finale

Dec 13, 2018 50 min

This is a jam packed Season #1 Finale of TalkingPFAS. Please listen right to the end to hear about what's coming for Season #2. This episode features a discussion about #PFAS with NSW Senator Brian Burston from the United Australia Party. He has also met with new PM of Australia Scott Morrison to talk about #PFAS, and he will share in this episode the many ways he has been fighting for justice for residents who have been affected, and had their lives turned upside down, by #PFAS contamination. He is also willing to travel anywhere in #Australia. As this is Season #1 Finale, there is some extra content as well, plus announcements about Season 2. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 7 - "They want the chemical banned. They want it to stop coming off the base. They want options." Meryl Swanson, Federal (Labor) Member for Paterson

Nov 22, 2018 40 min

This discussion is from an interview in September, 2018 with the Labor Federal member for Paterson Meryl Swanson. In this episode I ask her why Labor voted no to a Senate motion by NSW Senator Brian Burston (United Australia Party) for compensation for residents affected by PFAS. We also discuss Meryl Swanson's thoughts on many other issues connected to PFAS, including livestock; Defence; Food; PFAS Taskforce; Expert Health Panel; and of course her thoughts about the way the contamination was first revealed to residents in her electorate. These residents have been affected by contamination from the RAAF Base Williamtown. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 6 - Find out how HEMP naturally removes PFAS - Dr Brett Turner Newcastle University

Nov 8, 2018 49 min

Researcher Dr Brett Turner from Newcastle University and his team have developed a natural and effective solution for removing toxic PFAS chemicals from groundwater. He also explains how their research is also looking at how hemp plants can be used to remediate PFAS contaminated soil. Dr Turner and his team require funding to take this unique, ground breaking research to the next level. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 5 - "We are not interested in identifying things that suit Government or Community, we are interested in the truth." Prof Martyn Kirk ANU Canberra

Oct 25, 2018 45 min

Today's important discussion is with Professor Martyn Kirk, the lead researcher of the PFAS Health Study being conducted by the Australian National University (ANU) Canberra. The study is funded by the Australian Government Department of Health. We discuss, amongst many things, the ANU's research methodology, and reasons behind their study design, plus the health findings they reported in the Systematic Literature Review. Professor Kirk also discussed where more health research is required. This episode also includes a bonus five minute summary of Professor Nicholas Buckley's keynote speech that he gave at the PFAS Summit in Sydney on the 2/10/2018. Professor Buckley was the Chair of the Government's Expert Health Panel, that reported on PFAS health effects. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 4 - "PFAS is a bigger problem for Australia than just Defence bases...I see this as the next asbestos" A/Prof Robert Niven

Oct 10, 2018 1 hr 1 min

Associate Professor Robert Niven from the University of NSW Canberra has (along with his team) just been awarded a grant by ARC to develop remediation methods for PFAS. He has real concerns about the scope of the PFAS contamination problem in Australia. This episode is jam packed with discussion about many complexities and some possible solutions concerning PFAS. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 3 - "They still hold onto hope that perhaps this story, this message might get through" Kate Washington

Sep 26, 2018 36 min

Kate Washington, the Labor Member for Port Stephens, NSW shares her perspective on how PFAS contamination from the RAAF Base Williamtown, has affected Salt Ash, Fullerton Cove and Williamtown communities in her electorate. The effects on these communities, though unique, may be similar to what many other communities around Australia and the World are experiencing. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ep 2 - "We just don't want to live on contaminated land" Len & Pam O'Connell

Sep 13, 2018 29 min

Pam & Len O'Connell's property at Salt Ash have been in Pam's family for 100 years, they dreamed of a peaceful retirement on this land .....now they are desperate to leave! See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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