Lily Wyn & Paige Lloyd

The VBAC Link

A Parenting , Kids & Family and Health & Fitness podcast

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About the show

Here at The VBAC Link, our mission is to make birth after cesarean better by providing education, support, and a community of like-minded people. Welcome to our circle, we are so glad you are here!

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482 Prepping Your Pelvic Floor for VBAC | Krystle Howald (PT, DPT) from Expecting & Empowered

Nov 10, 2026 1 hr 1 min

We are fangirling today, THE Krystle Howald from Expecting & Empowered is here!! Krystle Howald is a pelvic floor PT, co-founder of Expecting & Empowered, and 3x cesarean mom joining us to talk about preparing your body for a VBAC and supporting recovery after cesarean. Krystle shares her own birth stories, the barriers she faced while going for a VBAC, and what she wishes she had known along the way. This episode is DENSE, touching on all things like: - how cesarean scar mobilization is so much more than scar massage - how her practice flipped 11 out of 12 breech babies last year - how our core, pelvic floor, posture, and alignment work together - movements to prepare for labor - intentionality behind their prenatal and postpartum exercise programs - how to choose a pelvic floor PT and what red flags to watch out for - energy healing - how to be supportive when a friend/family member has the birth you hoped for - why VBAC is so beneficial We hear over and over again how insanely impactful pelvic floor PT has been for our listeners. And while we can’t control every aspect of birth, tools like this really can make all the difference. Code for 15% off Expecting and Empowered App: VBACLINK Expecting and Empowered Provider Map The C-section Mobilization Scar Episode Krystal's First C-section Episode Krystal’s Second and Third C-sections Episode Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Keywords: pelvic floor physical therapy, cesarean, scar mobilization, vbac prep, vbac benefits, breech Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

481 CBA2C + Ways to Protect Your Birth Experience When VBAC Plans Change | Courtney

Nov 4, 2026 55 min

How do you cope if you don’t get your VBAC? Courtney D’Avella, a 2x CBAC mom, birth doula, and kids’ yoga teacher, shares some incredible wisdom today on how to find understanding and healing when the VBAC you were hoping for doesn’t happen. Courtney’s first birth began with an induction at 41 weeks, a HELLP syndrome diagnosis, magnesium sulfate, and an emergency cesarean under general anesthesia. For her second birth, Courtney switched to midwifery care and prepared for a VBAC. After another induction at 41 weeks, she ultimately had a CBAC after a posterior baby, no contractions, and exhaustion. Her third pregnancy brought another preeclampsia diagnosis at 38 weeks and another CBAC. Courtney shares the empowering and healing moments, right along with the really sad ones. We talk about the value of hiring a doula without expecting a guaranteed outcome, communicating with your birth team, and preparing birth preferences that reflect what matters most to you. Courtney shares why every VBAC plan should include a cesarean plan, how identifying your why can help soften the sadness of not having the birth outcome you hope for, and what it looks like to hold grief and gratitude simultaneously. Courtney’s Birth Preferences Workbook PDF Kids Yoga Teacher - Courtney The CBAC Link Community Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Keywords: VBAC, CBAC, CBA2C, HELLP syndrome, preeclampsia, posterior, doula, birth trauma, birth healing, informed consent, family-centered cesarean Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

480 Unmedicated Complete Breech VBAC with PROM | Hayley

Oct 28, 2026 1 hr 1 min

“I searched high and low trying to find stories like mine while I was pregnant with this baby, feeling like the odds were insanely stacked against me not only trying for a breech birth but also a VBAC.” Hayley's first baby was breech, and she tried everything to turn her, including an ECV. She even transferred care at 39 weeks hoping for a vaginal breech birth, but ultimately had a cesarean after her supportive provider left on a preplanned vacation at 40+3. With her second pregnancy, Hayley planned for a VBAC from the start. At 34 weeks, she found out this babe was also breech. She immediately reconnected with her first provider who was fully supportive of her VBAC. Labor started with PROM, and she spent the day waiting for contractions to pick up. Once they did, her baby was born after just 4.5 hours of active labor, unmedicated and breech! Hayley shares how important skilled providers, informed choices, and unwavering support are when navigating a breech VBAC. Yes, breech VBAC IS possible! Coalition for Breech Birth Breech Without Borders Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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The newest 50 of 488 episodes

482 Prepping Your Pelvic Floor for VBAC | Krystle Howald (PT, DPT) from Expecting & Empowered

Nov 10, 2026 1 hr 1 min

481 CBA2C + Ways to Protect Your Birth Experience When VBAC Plans Change | Courtney

Nov 4, 2026 55 min

480 Unmedicated Complete Breech VBAC with PROM | Hayley

Oct 28, 2026 1 hr 1 min

479 Lily's Miscarriage & Ectopic Pregnancy Stories | Pregnancy & Infant Loss Awareness Month

Oct 21, 2026 54 min

Trigger Warning: miscarriage, ectopic pregnancy, and pregnancy loss Instead of our usual birth after cesarean story, this week, we are continuing to honor Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month by hearing our very own co-host, Lily Wyn, share her experiences with pregnancy loss. Lily’s first pregnancy ended in an early miscarriage, and her second was an ectopic pregnancy that resulted in losing her baby and one of her fallopian tubes. Her two stories of loss were deeply influential in her VBAC journey and have helped shape her into the Lily that we know and love today. You are invited to attend this “TMI class with Lily,” where she shares the physical and emotional details of pregnancy loss that no one really talks about, but that she wished someone had told her. We believe so much in the power of sharing so others don’t feel alone. If you are currently going through pregnancy or infant loss, or if you are preparing for a birth after a loss, we see you and send all of our love. Love Wyns Doula Episode 379 Lily's 66-Hour Waterbirth VBAC Glenn Fertility and Wellness Episode 342 CNM Paige Boran + Lily's VBAC Prep Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

478 Sarah's VBAC After Breast Cancer & Arrest of Descent Cesarean + Breast Cancer Awareness Month

Oct 13, 2026 50 min

“This VBAC was so redemptive for me because I felt like it was the first time my body did the things that it was designed to do without the intervention of medicine or doctors. I feel like it healed so many wounds in my soul.” Sarah was diagnosed with hormone-positive breast cancer at 29, which involved treatment, fertility preservation, and wondering if her body would ever be able to do anything right. After 3 years of hormone suppression, she was cleared to try and get pregnant naturally. Sarah’s birth ended in a cesarean due to arrest of descent, which left her doubting my body again. 3.5 years later, her second baby was born through a redemptive, powerful, primal, and healing unmedicated VBAC! National Breast Cancer Foundation The VBAC Link Blog: Failure to Progress Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

477 VBAC After Infant Loss + Short Interval & 44-hr Labor + Pregnancy & Infant Loss Awareness Month | Rachel

Oct 7, 2026 43 min

“Our first daughter, Violet, was born at 30 weeks via C-section due to a variety of health complications. She died 12 days later in the NICU, and we love and miss her so much. We were not aware until after she died that she had a fatal condition called triploidy, which was misdiagnosed as Dandy-Walker. 6.5 months later, through immense fear and grief, I became pregnant with our second daughter, Valerie, and I was lucky to find an amazing VBAC-friendly practice that believed in me despite the short interval between births. Valerie was born at 40+5 after 44.5 hours of labor, and her birth had my doula saying, ‘I’ve never seen this happen before!’ I hope my happy ending provides hope and inspiration to listeners, especially those who have experienced loss.” Rachel’s story is packed with SO MUCH, including but not limited to infant loss, chromosomal abnormality, miracles, a 16.5-month interval between births, pregnancy after loss, hospital VBAC, long labor, doula support, and pivoting from unmedicated plans to an epidural and Pitocin as helpful tools. Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month is a tender time, and we feel passionately that listening to women tell their stories of loss helps us become kinder, softer, and stronger together. We honor Rachel, Valerie, and sweet Violet's memory today. Baby Loss The VBAC Link Blog: What to Say After Miscarriage or Stillbirth The VBAC Link Blog: Length Between Pregnancies Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

476 HBAC After PPROM + Circumvallate Placenta & Marginal Cord Insertion | Melle

Sep 30, 2026 48 min

Melle McPhee is a VBAC Link Certified Doula and mom of three girls. Her first birth was an 11-hour vaginal delivery at 39+6 with an epidural and episiotomy. After PPROM (preterm premature rupture of membranes) at 36+5 with her second, Melle found out that her baby was footling breech and had an emergency cesarean. Melle struggled with feeling like her body had failed and feared another spontaneous preterm birth. During her third pregnancy, Melle focused on supporting a full-term pregnancy, including daily collagen protein, exercise, and a nutrient-dense diet. At exactly 40 weeks, she went into spontaneous labor and had a 12-hour physiological home birth VBAC with a midwife. Her water didn’t break until five minutes before birth, and she had no tearing. Melle shares how she approached the recommendations surrounding VBAC, home birth, continuous monitoring, and cervical checks through informed consent and her own risk tolerance. Her biggest VBAC advice is to hire a doula and know that a previous spontaneous preterm birth does not mean your body is broken or that you can’t carry a future baby to term. Keywords: VBAC, VBAC Doula, HBAC, home birth, PPROM, preterm birth, footling breech, breech prevention, midwife, circumvallate placenta, marginal cord insertion Melle’s Doula Website The VBAC Link Blog: How to Find a VBAC-Supportive Provider Find a VBAC Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

475 Induced VBAC at 41 Weeks + Vacuum Assist | Stephanie

Sep 23, 2026 43 min

“The deck was stacked against me: advanced maternal age, circumvallate placenta, marginal cord insertion, gestational diabetes, induced VBAC, delivery after 41 weeks, 4 hours of pushing, and vacuum assisted delivery.” After 38 hours of labor, chorioamnionitis, and late decels, Stephanie’s rainbow baby boy was born by cesarean. His umbilical cord was only five inches long, her husband missed the birth after being forgotten outside the OR, and their son spent five days in the NICU. For her VBAC, she tried all the things to go into labor naturally before being induced at 41+3 with low and slow Pitocin. With the support of a patient OB, doula, and her husband, she labored unmedicated and pushed for four hours before welcoming her daughter with the help of a vacuum. Even with a second-degree tear, postpartum hemorrhage, and a retained placenta, she says that her VBAC was much less traumatic than her cesarean. The VBAC Link Blog: The Best VBAC Induction Methods The VBAC Link Blog: Operative Vaginal Delivery The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

474 VBAC Waterbirth in Scotland | Mhairi

Sep 16, 2026 58 min

Joining us all the way from Edinburgh, Scotland is our friend, Mhairi. Her first birth in 2023 began with PROM (premature rupture of membranes) without regular contractions or cervical change. She was induced, and after concerns came up for both Mhairi and her baby, the birth ended in an emergency cesarean. For her second birth, Mhairi planned a waterbirth VBAC despite it being outside her hospital’s protocol. She spent her pregnancy researching her options and met several times with consultants and the head of the birth department. After going into spontaneous labor, she had one final meeting with a doctor while in active labor to discuss waterbirth. Mhairi went on to have her unmedicated VBAC waterbirth, and it was just the empowering experience she hoped it would be. Keywords: VBAC, waterbirth VBAC, waterbirth, NHS, UK maternity care, emergency cesarean, induction, spontaneous labor, unmedicated birth, doula, midwifery care The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

473 T-incision Special Scar + 2VBACs | CNM & Founder of Lila Laborwear Caitlyn Schollmeier

Sep 9, 2026 1 hr 15 min

Caitlyn is our ultimate IT girl. She’s a Certified Nurse Midwife, L&D nurse, doula, two-time VBAC mom of four, inventor of Lila Laborwear and the Lila TENS Unit, Air Force veteran, and was crowned the 2020 Mrs. United States while pregnant with her twins! Caitlyn’s motherhood journey began with that surprise twin pregnancy, vasa previa, and twin-to-twin transfusion syndrome (TTTS) which led to a lengthy hospital stay and a cesarean birth with a T-incision. During her second pregnancy, Caitlyn was strongly discouraged from going for a VBAC. But she knew the evidence, trusted her intuition, and went for it. Caitlyn’s labor was long and challenging, but ended in an empowering VBAC! She went on to have another VBAC with her third that was unexpectedly unmedicated, using her very own Lila TENS Unit as her only pain relief. Caitlyn shares what she wishes she had known about vasa previa, including treatment options she learned about too late, and dives into pregnancy dating, induction, nipple stimulation, membrane sweeps, castor oil, labor coping, epidurals, unmedicated birth, and preparing for labor regardless of your pain-medication plan. She explains why medical interventions should be approached strategically rather than as all or nothing by asking yourself: “Is this going to improve my chances of having the outcome that I want?” When used thoughtfully and appropriately, sometimes interventions are just the thing that will get you there. Lila Laborwear Website The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

472 VBA2C + Leaving AMA During Labor | Darby

Sep 2, 2026 51 min

After a breech C-section in 2022 and an elective repeat in 2024, Darby switched providers to the “king of VBA2C doctors” at 34 weeks to go for a VBA2C. She hired the best VBAC doula in North Texas, did all the things to prepare and educate herself, but at 40 weeks learned her supportive doctor would be out of town. At 40+5, she labored for nearly three days while facing anti-VBAC doctors, repeated pressure for a C-section, and “dead baby” fear-mongering. She ultimately left the hospital AMA, continued laboring close by with her husband and doula, then returned two days later. Darby finally had a doctor from her supportive practice arrive during an overnight labor, and despite baby’s heart rate struggling with contractions, meconium, severe dehydration with ketones, four IVs due to rolling veins, an epidural, and 45 minutes of pushing resulting in a third-degree tear, she got her VBA2C and the perfect skin-to-skin moment she was dreaming of. Darby’s message to you all is to know your rights, advocate for yourself, trust your intuition, and stay flexible. About her resistance from doctors, she says, “It was the most intense and probably most medically traumatizing thing of my life, but the end was the most empowering thing ever.” Women of Strength, the way you are treated in birth matters. Get educated, and don’t settle for any less than what you deserve! The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

471 Unmedicated VBAC After an ECV | Stephanie

Aug 26, 2026 58 min

Stephanie’s first two births were vaginal deliveries, her third was a peaceful, scheduled C-section after declining an ECV, and her fourth was an empowering VBAC with an ECV at 37 weeks. She is a doula, prenatal/postpartum fitness specialist, and the founder of Mission Rise and Mission Motherhood. We loved this piece of advice Stephanie sent us in her intake form: “One thing I don’t think we talk about enough is that birth preparation should evolve with each pregnancy. “For a first-time mom, that often means learning as much as you can so birth doesn’t simply happen to you—attending childbirth and breastfeeding classes, considering a doula, and preparing for postpartum (your bedside, having a meal train, etc.). “For moms who’ve given birth before, preparation often means processing your previous birth before preparing for the next one. “Every birth deserves to be treated as its own story, and each pregnancy offers a new opportunity to advocate for yourself, explore your options, and prepare with fresh eyes instead of assuming this birth will be just like the last.” This episode was SO fun to record. We just basked in the beautiful way Stephanie talked about birth, advocacy, faith, and all of her practical tips. And another fun piece of her VBAC was that Stephanie and her sister were pregnant together and got to be each other’s doulas at their births, only 13 days apart! Vote for The VBAC Link Natural Hospital Birth, The Best of Both Worlds Stephanie's Website The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

470 Unmedicated Hospital VBAC After Placenta Previa | Blair

Aug 19, 2026 55 min

We know her and love her from jingles on all the socials with her husband, Steven. She documented her VBAC prep journey on the internet, and now Blair aka @6.lair is here sharing ALL details with The VBAC Link! About Blair: She’s a 2x mom based in Michigan who had an unmedicated hospital VBAC in May 2026. As a pediatric ICU nurse herself, she’s a huge advocate for patient centered care, non-pharmacological pain interventions, and informed consent. Her first birth was a scheduled C-section due to placenta previa. Her VBAC was just under 24 hours with AROM, lots of movement, using the shower during contractions, pushing for 1hr and 40 min, the fetal ejection reflex, and no tearing. You will walk away from her stories with such a deep understanding of the step-by-step process of unmedicated birth. From trying to induce spontaneous labor all the way to the nitty gritty of what recovery from a vaginal delivery feels like, Blair is a girl’s girl who REALLY wants you to know what to expect. It was hard, transition was scary, pushing wasn’t what she thought it would be, AND it was the most empowering thing she’s ever done. VOTE for The VBAC Link Blair's Linktree The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

469 Birthy Conversations We're Not Having + The Baby Chick® | Nina Spears

Aug 12, 2026 1 hr 0 min

She’s the chick who helps moms and babies, the one and only Nina Spears, founder and CEO of The Baby Chick®, is hereeee! Nina is a certified baby planner, birth and postpartum doula, childbirth educator, newborn care specialist, infant massage instructor, and perinatal nutrition expert who has worked with more than 800 families in person, thousands virtually, and has supported over 350 births over the past 15 years. She’s also the host of Chick Chat: The Baby Chick Podcast and the author of The Baby Chick Guide to Positive Pregnancy, which just published June 2026. She says it’s, “essentially what I’ve been wanting my clients to have for the last 15 years”. And what does it mean to have a positive pregnancy? Nina says it’s all about feeling informed, supported, and empowered. But, it’s also having conversations about the realities of pregnancy, birth, and postpartum that just aren’t happening…until this episode. What we aren’t talking about enough that we take a deep dive into today: The invisible load of motherhood that starts DURING pregnancyNot just holding the baby, but also holding the mamaPatrescence and the hormone shift of dads What actually helps women feel prepared and supported for a babyWhy peace on earth begins with birthVillages are never freeDeciding to VBAC and honing in on what YOU really wantThe pressures that VBAC moms carryDebunking the superiority of birthNina is an absolute joy! We promise this episode is SUCH a good one. The Baby Chick Guide to Positive Pregnancy: How to Prepare Your Mind, Body, and Partner The Baby Chick Website The Baby Chick on YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok Chick Chat: The Baby Chick Podcast The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

468 Home Birth Transfer Hospital VBAC + Cancer Diagnosis | Hannah

Aug 5, 2026 1 hr 3 min

Hannah's first labor began at 40 weeks, the day after a membrane sweep. She opted for an epidural but due to fetal tachycardia, had an unplanned cesarean. It was a lonely and confusing postpartum not coping well with the emotional trauma of that birth. Hannah prepared for a VBAC and planned a home birth with a midwife hoping for a different experience. She felt peaceful about transferring to the hospital when labor stalled at 9cm. She talks about what made that transfer feel empowering, including the sweetest affirmations from her cute husband. She also shares about her baby girl’s diagnosis with Langerhans Cell Histiocytosis (LCH) at just 7 weeks old and how walking through a rare childhood illness (quite literally 1 in a million!) changed her perspective on birth, motherhood, and life's hardest seasons. Hannah was a TVL podcast listener herself long before she had her own VBAC. We hope you can find the same inspiration and love that Lily, Paige, and Hannah did when prepping for their own births! To Lily, she said, “The way that you and Paige honor women’s birth stories is just so beautiful. It’s such a powerful service you provide. It was so inspirational and hopeful, and I still listen every week.” Our birth stories are meant to be held and shared communally. And this is why we are here. Keywords: VBAC, planned HBAC, hospital transfer, cesarean birth, tachycardia, membrane sweep, epidural, PPA, birth trauma, husband, birth advocacy, Histiocytosis, infant cancer Hystiocytosis Association The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

467 Two VBA4Cs in South Korea! | Ali Craft's 7 Births

Jul 29, 2026 1 hr 3 min

One of Paige’s dearest friends and fellow doula in South Korea, Ali Craft, joins the pod today sharing her incredibly inspiring (and hilariously narrated!) seven birth stories, including four cesareans and three vaginal births. Ali was able to advocate for not only a VBA2C in Korea, where it is extremely uncommon for hospitals to offer VBAC support, but she also had TWO VBA4Cs. Ali’s stories remind us that every.birth.is.different. From long labors to short ones, planned cesareans to unplanned CBACs, induction, epidural, spontaneous labor, and so much more in between, we know you will take away so much inspiration from her stories. “I love supporting moms now because in labor when they’re dying, I can say, I KNOW. When it’s taking forever, I KNOW. When they end up with the C-section they didn’t really want, I know.” VOTE for The VBAC Link Craft and Co. Doula Services The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

466 LIVE VBAC Q&A | Paige & Lily + TVL Co-Founders Meagan & Julie

Jul 22, 2026 43 min

For the first time EVER, all four of The VBAC Link hosts are together in one episode! Founders and original pod hosts Julie Francom and Meagan Heaton join current hosts Lily Wyn and Paige Lloyd to answer your live VBAC questions. With more than 15 years of combined doula experience and hundreds of births attended, this episode is jam-packed with wisdom, evidence-based birthy tips, and so much love for our listeners who have been with us all of these years. Topics include: How to decide between a VBAC and repeat cesareanPreventing PROM and chorioamnionitis 39-week induction recommendation early in pregnancyEngaging baby's head before laborHow to trust your intuition Coping with fearTips on practical birth prep Tiny Blessings Doula Services Julie Francom Birth Stories Love Wyns Doula Services The Birth Narrative Doula Services The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

465 Nurse Practitioner’s Precipitous Birth Center VBAC | Alex

Jul 15, 2026 54 min

Today we sit down with Alex, a nurse practitioner and mama of two, who shares her journey from a scheduled breech cesarean to a fast, spontaneous VBAC at a birth center. After two unsuccessful ECV attempts, Alex planned for a cesarean with her first baby. Along the way, she also experienced the heartbreak of miscarriage before welcoming her daughter. Alex opens up about navigating conflicting medical opinions (including being told by an MFM that her baby would die– not okay!!) and how her and her medical doctor husband’s views on out-of-hospital birth evolved over time. Alex also shares why practicing for labor could only take her so far before surrender became the greatest lesson, the importance of surrounding yourself with more than just a supportive provider, and how having an encouraging birth team made all the difference. Alex especially talks about how her VBAC-certified doula was an invaluable part of that team. We also discuss some of the evidence behind using ultrasounds to measure scar thickness as a predictor of a VBAC outcome or uterine rupture, and why ACOG does NOT recommend it. The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

464 LONG Pregnancies + LONG Labors | Lily & Paige

Jul 8, 2026 44 min

Today’s episode is a deep dive with just Paige and Lily all about LONG pregnancies and LONG labors. Are due dates expiration dates? Is it okay to go past 41 weeks with VBAC? How do you stay sane and steady when you are more than readyyyy for labor to start? And when it does and things take much, much longer than you hoped, (you’re in good company because Lily knows all about this with her 66-hour VBAC) we’ve got you. How do you overcome a labor stall? How to reset on the morning of another full day of labor? When is it time to reassess? Lily and Paige share a peek into their doula brains with lots of tips, research, and stories as two gals who love birth and want you to know that you are stronger than you ever thought. 🙌 2013 PubMed Study - Length of Pregnancies 2001 PubMed Article - Estimating the Normal Duration of Human Pregnancies The Honey Jar Honey Sticks Summer Fridays Face Mist 20 Questions to Ask a Doula The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

463 L&D Nurse's VBAC + Velamentous Cord Inserstion | Casey

Jul 1, 2026 1 hr 2 min

Casey is a L&D nurse who had both of her babies at the same hospital where she works. Her first birth was an unexpected C-section, but thankfully not traumatic.. Casey brings up how working as a nurse can sometimes make birth harder from seeing the tough stuff, but how that can also actually be really helpful when things don’t go to plan too. Casey knew she wanted a VBAC, but she didn’t expect anger to show up the way it did during her pregnancy. She fielded a lot of insensitive comments at work but was able to tune out the noise and tune in to her spirituality and faith to keep her grounded. She was supposed to work L&D the night her baby was born! But instead of helping other moms welcome their babies, her nurse friends were there cheering for her. Casey’s surprise gender VBAC was sweet, sacred, and empowering! We know you'll love Casey's beautiful personality as much as we do. Needed Website: Code TVL for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

462 Induced VBAC with Dilapan Rods & 10lb Baby | Willa

Jun 24, 2026 53 min

Willa joins the pod from San Francisco, CA to share her journey from a 41+5 spontaneous 30-hour labor with OP positioning and a cesarean with her 9lb, 6oz first baby to a VBAC with her 10lb, 3oz second baby. She talks about switching providers, using Dilapan rods for cervical ripening, being induced at 41 weeks, and navigating another OP baby. Willa shares the lessons she learned about preparing emotionally for birth, the nuances of birth language, trusting that each birth can be different, and surrounding yourself with people who will be your biggest VBAC champions. And stay until the end to hear the most beautiful poem about her VBAC journey! How Dilapan-S Rods Work EBB Birth: Pros and Cons of Foley and Dilapan-S® for Induction The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

461 VBA2C After HELLP Syndrome + Scar Extension | Yazmine

Jun 17, 2026 48 min

After an emergency cesarean at 29 weeks due to HELLP syndrome with an ICU stay for herself and a 2-month NICU stay for her baby, Yazmine was told she would never have a vaginal birth. She was also given mixed information about the type of uterine scar that she had. But with lots of diet changes and medication, Yazmine didn’t have preeclampsia or HELLP the second time around. She chose a repeat cesarean following her doctor’s strong recommendation. During her third pregnancy, Yazmine educated herself on VBA2C, found a supportive provider through another TVL mama on the podcast, and continued with the same lifestyle changes as before. She had PROM at 38+6, labored for 40 hours with a Foley bulb, Pitocin, and got an epidural before having her beautiful VBA2C at 39+1. Yazmine had no tearing and the amazing recovery she was hoping for! Needed Website: Code TVL for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

460 Type 1 Diabetes VBAC + Shoulder Dystocia | Alexis

Jun 10, 2026 1 hr 5 min

Alexis is a Type 1 diabetic mom of three boys from Nevada. Her first birth was a 37-week induction due to her diabetes that ended in a vaginal delivery. For her second birth, Alexis was told she needed a cesarean because her baby was expected to be "massive," but after birth, he was perfectly average-sized. In the OR, her providers admitted their prediction was wrong, and Alexis was devastated. Alexis was determined more than ever to educate herself and advocate hard for her next birth. During her third pregnancy, Alexis navigated polyhydramnios, multiple provider changes, and concerns about possible fetal heart abnormalities that ultimately turned out to be no issue after birth. But even with these challenges, still advocated and achieved her unmedicated VBAC. Her labor ended with a shoulder dystocia with her baby having a broken arm, but with a smooth recovery. Alexis shares how TVL, research, informed decision-making, educating her support team, and using the B.R.A.I.N. acronym helped her throughout her pregnancy and birth journey. Note from Alexis: “There was never a real explanation as to why they suspected he had ARSA, the increased velocity, or the small hole in utero. And as a tip for anyone in labor, honey is considered a clear liquid, and the cheap honey bears at Walmart are great during labor! I took swigs off of it during labor for energy and to keep my blood sugar up. The midwife came to check on me at one point mid-swig and said that was the first time she had seen that in her 25 years. I couldn’t find honey sticks locally for a reasonable price, but I could find local honey bears.” Keywords: VBAC, Type 1 diabetes, juvenile diabetes, induction, 37-week induction, scheduled cesarean, suspected macrosomia, big baby, polyhydramnios, unmedicated VBAC, shoulder dystocia, broken humerus, birth injury, fetal heart concerns, ARSA, informed consent, B.R.A.I.N., VBAC prep Natural Birth for Type 1 Diabetics Facebook Group T1D Pregnancy Course Needed Website: Co...

459 Induced VBAC with Epidural + Pelvic Floor Physical Therapy | Allison's (PT, DPT)

Jun 3, 2026 1 hr 7 min

Allison Parker is a pelvic floor physical therapist and mom of two from South Carolina, joining us today to share her journey to an induced VBAC after a cesarean for breech presentation. She talks about navigating a failed ECV, postpartum hemorrhage, postpartum preeclampsia, and her tough second pregnancy which ultimately led to an induction at 37 weeks due to preeclampsia. Allison tells us what helped her feel prepared, including finding a supportive provider, hiring a doula, hearing other women’s stories on The VBAC Link (!), and learning to pivot when things had to change. As both a VBAC mom and pelvic floor PT, Allison also shares practical advice for preparing for birth and recovering postpartum. We discuss perineal massage, C-section scar massage, open glottis pushing vs. when to use closed glottis pushing, pelvic floor recovery, healing after a 3rd degree tear, and why the mental and emotional preparation are just as important as the physical. Keywords: VBAC, induced VBAC, breech, ECV, preeclampsia, postpartum preeclampsia, postpartum hemorrhage, pelvic floor physical therapy, 3rd degree tear, pelvic floor recovery, vaginal recovery, C-section recovery, scar massage, perineal massage, epidural VBAC, supportive provider, doula Rome Physical Therapy Needed Website: Code TVL for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

458 Hospital Water Birth VBAC After Traumatic Vaginal Births & Peaceful Cesarean + Prenatal Depression | Celia

May 27, 2026 1 hr 25 min

Celia is a mom of four, an Air Force Technical Sergeant, and a passionate advocate for evidence-based communication in birth. In this episode, she shares her four very different birth experiences: a 36-hour induction ending in a forceps delivery and severe tear, another induction that turned precipitous, a breech Cesarean that felt calm and healing, and ultimately a hospital water birth VBAC at a hospital that DIDN’T allow water births! Celia opens up about prenatal depression, birth trauma, knowing your worth, switching providers, and the reality that both cesareans and vaginal births can be traumatic, and both can also be healing. Celia also sheds light on the power dynamics with navigating military maternity care as an enlisted service member treated by officers within the system. She talks about healing from an abusive relationship, how she opened her heart to love and trust again, and the unique challenges that come with a blended family. We encourage all Women of Strength to give grace to the younger versions of yourself just as Celia so beautifully exemplifies! Keywords: VBAC, hospital water birth, birth trauma, military maternity care, MTF, active duty VBAC, switching providers, forceps delivery, breech cesarean, advocacy, prenatal depression, precipitous labor, healing, hospital policies Postpartum Support International Provider Directory Needed Website: Code TVL for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 457 Birth Trauma Therapist Ashley Ward, LPCC + Maternal Mental Health Awareness Month

May 20, 2026 1 hr 17 min

May is Maternal Health Awareness Month, and at The VBAC Link, we deeply believe that maternal health is so much more than physical well being. We recognize the complexity of every birth experience, and for those struggling, we send our love, solidarity, and support. In this HIGHLY anticipated episode, Lily and Paige sit down with birth trauma therapist Ashley Ward, LPCC about what trauma is, the many different ways it can present itself, and where to find healing. They talk about the culture of “ranking” birth stories and normalize the experience of feeling icky about a birth story, even if everything seemed perfect on paper. Ashley also shares her personal experiences with birth trauma in her most traumatic birth that appeared to be picture-perfect at a birth center. Her perspective gives both clinical insight and validation for experiences that are often minimized or misunderstood. Ashley believes that sharing birth stories matters, and they deserve a witness. In a world where shame can become the loudest voice in the room and birth conversations can split into divisive binaries, she aims to bring nuance, compassion, and dignity-informed care into the perinatal space. Birth does not happen in a vacuum, and Ashley beautifully reminds us that every birth is part of a larger story, one that existed before labor began and continues long after delivery. Topics include: What a panic attack can feel likeThe definition of traumaBirth trauma vs. medical traumaRanking birth stories as “better” or “worse”Feeling unsettled by your birth storyRadical acceptanceGrieving things you may never experienceBody acceptancePostpartum mental healthBirth story processingShame Finding joy Signs that you need professional help Keywords: birth trauma, healing, postpartum, VBAC, CBAC, birth after cesarean, cesarean, C-section, mental health, postpartum anxiety, postpartum depression, panic attacks, radical acceptance, birth story processing, motherhood, trauma-informed care, postpartum the...

Episode 456 L&D Nurse Jen Hamilton + VBAC Vibes

May 13, 2026 1 hr 5 min

We are honored to have THE Jen Hamilton join us on the pod today! Jen Hamilton is a labor and delivery nurse, viral TikTok creator with over 6 million followers, and author of Birth Vibes: Stories and Strategies for an Empowered Birth (May 2026), a warm, clinically grounded guide to navigating childbirth with confidence and calm. She is the founder of Hot Mess Express, a nonprofit offering judgment-free house cleaning and organizing for women in need, and a passionate advocate for dismantling systemic racism and misogyny in obstetrical and gynecological care. A 2026 President's Award recipient from the American Nurses Association and a frequent presence in outlets including CNN, The New York Times, and The Huffington Post, Jen has become one of the most recognizable voices in modern nursing through her signature blend of clinical expertise, frank humor, and deep empathy. She is funny, kind, generous, gracious, and quickly becoming a household name! In today’s episode, Jen sits down with Lily and Paige to chat all about creating the best vibes for your birth. They do a deep dive into VBAC, and ask questions that came directly from you all. This is an episode you DO NOT want to miss. Today’s topics include: Using interventions as toolsWhy a provider may be the factor if someone will have a VBAC or notDirty secret of OBHow Jen feels about doulasHow to ask for a new nurseDebriefing your birth Preparing for a different birth experienceExpectations around coping techniquesGiving yourself graceBaton race of coping analogyFunny and memorable stories in L&DUnique VBAC circumstancesFailure to progressHow she would improve cesareans and humanize the experience Keywords: Jen Hamilton, labor and delivery, L&D nurse, OBGYN, cesarean, vbac, birth after cesarean, cbac, doula, birth vibes, epidural, failure to progress, tolac, vbac consent, hospital vbac Email info@thevbaclink.com for Jen's free Closure Vibes Debrief Questionnaire. Birth Vibes: Stories and Strategies for an Emp...

Episode 455 Tatiana Returns + HBA2C aka HOTEL Birth After Two Cesareans

May 6, 2026 50 min

Tatiana is back with her second VBA2C story!! She first joined us on Episode 107 in 2020 where she dove into all the details around her first two C-sections and her first VBA2C. It was a planned HBAC turned hospital delivery with a supportive OB, but her heart still craved the home birth experience. In this episode, she returns with a full-circle update on the birth of her fourth sweet boy. Her fourth birth was the HBA2C she was hoping for, aka a hotel birth after two cesareans with a midwife she deeply trusted. If you’re scratching your head wondering about these logistics, don’t worry! Tatiana shares it ALL. We dive into a critical conversation around access. Many providers and hospitals still restrict VBA2C, and it is especially difficult to find support for an out-of-hospital VBA2C. Tatiana shares why expanding midwifery care matters, how pelvic floor therapy during pregnancy can support better outcomes, and why finding a provider you trust (no matter the distance) can make all the difference. Keywords: VBAC, VBA2C, HBA2C, hotel birth, out-of-hospital birth, cesarean, prior vaginal birth, VBAC after two cesareans, birth access, midwifery care, pelvic floor therapy, provider support, informed consent Episode 107 Tatiana’s VBA2C NYT Article on Continuous Fetal Monitoring The VBAC Link Blog: The 5 Most Common Reasons for C-section The VBAC Link Blog: How to Navigate VBAC Hospital Policies Needed Website: Code VBAC for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 454 Certified Nurse Midwife Paige Boran + All About Fetal Monitoring

Apr 29, 2026 1 hr 7 min

We are closing out our Cesarean Awareness Month series on the most common reasons for C-sections with a deep dive into all things fetal monitoring! CNM Paige Boran, who attended Lily’s VBAC and who we deeply love and trust, answers every question you can imagine. This is definitely an episode you will want to save and listen back to often! Midwife Paige talks about: The history of continuous fetal monitoringThe differences between continuous, internal, and internal monitoringBradycardia and tachycardia readingsCFM and VBACWhen she recommends having CFMHow to advocate informed consent and declinationEarly, variable, and late decelerationsHead compression and cord compressionWhen fetal heart tracings become concerning & what empowered conversations look likeWays to help resolve decelsPlacental insufficiencyAll signs of uterine ruptureHow to make the decision of going for a C-section or continuing to labor Evidence on continuous fetal monitoring And more!! We are so grateful for providers like Midwife Paige who we have seen in action and are willing to take the time to help educate our community. For those who question if they made the right call to have a cesarean or continue to labor due to fetal heart readings, we send you love. It is so tough! Fetal heart tones are so nuanced. We hope that with this episode, you feel empowered with more knowledge to find a team that gives you the support and individualized care you deserve. Evidence Based Birth®: Evidence on Continuous Fetal Monitoring NYT Article on Continuous Fetal Monitoring The VBAC Link Blog: The 5 Most Common Reasons for C-section The VBAC Link Blog: How to Navigate VBAC Hospital Policies Needed Website: Code TVL for 20% Off Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 453 Catherine's HBAC, CBAC, & Surprise Breech VBA2C in the OR

Apr 22, 2026 46 min

We’re so excited to bring you another episode in our Cesarean Awareness Month series! This one was highly requested in our VBAC Link Facebook Community and we can’t wait for you to hear Catherine’s stories. Today’s topic is all about BREECH, one of the most common reasons for cesareans. Catherine, a mom of four with a bicornuate uterus, shares her four births: a scheduled breech cesarean, a precipitous head-down HBAC, a breech CBAC, and a planned breech HBA2C that ended in a hospital transfer for a CBA2C but with a surprise breech VBA2C on the OR table! Catherine opens up about how communication can shape a birth experience just as much as the outcome, and how even intended healing experiences can have traumatic pieces to them. She shares her passion for informed breech birth, patient advocacy, consent, midwifery care, and navigating both in-hospital and out-of-hospitalbirth settings, along with the importance of emotional processing and support. Her message is a strong reminder not to settle, Women of Strength! When you understand your options, trust your body, and advocate for the care you deserve, you can move through birth feeling informed and empowered, even when things don’t go as planned. Breech Without Borders The VBAC Link Blog: The 5 Most Common Reasons for C-section The VBAC Link Blog: ECV and VBAC Needed Website: Code VBAC for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 452 MAC Pioneer Dr. Koen Deurloo + Maternal Assisted Cesareans

Apr 15, 2026 59 min

As we continue our Cesarean Awareness Month series, CBAC and RCS moms, this one's for you. If your future birth looks like a subsequent cesarean, we want to make that cesarean the best, most peaceful, and empowering experience it can be. Better birth after cesarean means better options, and today's episode takes a deep dive into the option of Maternal Assisted Cesareans (MAC). We are joined today by Dr. Koen Deurloo from the Netherlands. Dr. Koen is a Dutch OB/GYN specializing in perinatology and family-centered cesarean birth. Since 2017, his team has performed more than 300 Maternal Assisted Cesareans, developing one of the most experience-based approaches to this technique. He is also the author of Door de ogen van een gynaecoloog and teaches widely on respectful, trauma-informed birth care. His work focuses on creating transparency and calm so parents feel genuinely involved and supported throughout the entire process, especially in the operating room. In this episode, Dr. Koen walks us through how he was first introduced to the MAC (spoiler: it was a mom and her doula!), how the procedure has evolved over time, what his patients have to say about it (another spoiler: 100% recommend it), and how to advocate for this kind of experience with your provider. Birth after cesarean deserves dignity. It deserves options, and it deserves finding a provider who holds your stories with care and who speaks about birth the way Dr. Koen does. We PROMISE this is an episode you will not want to miss!!! Women of strength, we know how difficult it can be to choose between going for a VBAC, pivoting to a CBAC, or scheduling a repeat cesarean. Whether for medical or personal reasons, your choice is valid and good. There are so many brave ways to birth. As always, our team here at The VBAC Link is here to give you options, stories, resources, love, and support! Through the Eyes of a Gynecologist by Dr. Koen Deurloo MACAZINE Paige’s Maternal Assisted Cesarean Story Needed Webs...

Episode 451 Erin’s Twin VBAC + Cholestasis

Apr 8, 2026 59 min

Is it possible to have a VBAC with multiples? YES. In honor of Cesarean Awareness Month, Erin, a registered dietitian and mom of four (under 5!), shares her journey through cesarean, VBAC, miscarriage, and a twin VBAC. She opens up about navigating postpartum anxiety, benefiting from medication, and how her hard work and growth helped her have a different mindset when a lot of similar things happened in subsequent births. Erin’s first birth was a cesarean during COVID due to fetal heart decels, her second was a healing VBAC and her third and fourth births were an induced twin VBAC for cholestasis. Her stories touch on miscarriage, close pregnancy intervals, di-di twin pregnancy, provider support, membrane sweeps, epidural and Pitocin. She also shares the realities of postpartum recovery, breastfeeding with a nipple shield, and facing a neonatal emergency when one of her twins required surgery at just three weeks old. Erin’s big VBAC tips are to have birth preferences instead of rigid plans while holding strong to your boundaries, find care that is individualized to your unique circumstances, and lean into positive affirmations. Connect with her on Instagram @the.dietitian.mama or at morningbirdnutrition.com. VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 450 Midwife Katie's Birth Center VBAC + Shoulder Dystocia HBAC & BIG Baby + Cesarean Awareness Month

Apr 1, 2026 1 hr 3 min

April is Cesarean Awareness Month and Women of Strength, we are aware of YOU. All month long, we are bringing you VBAC stories & discussions featuring these most common reasons for cesareans: • Big babies • Failure to progress • Twins • Breech • Fetal heart tones And for our CBAC and RCS mamas, we’ve got a special episode all about maternal assisted cesareans, so stay tuned!! In today’s episode, we talk with Katie, a Certified Professional Midwife from Oregon, whose journey into midwifery began after her own VBAC. Her first birth began spontaneously at the start of COVID and ended in a cesarean with an asynclitic, sunny side up baby. Her second birth was a healing VBAC at a freestanding birth center with midwives. Her third birth at home was longer than her previous VBAC and required her to let go of expectations and trust the process. This birth ended in a successful VBAC with a shoulder dystocia, postpartum hemorrhage, and a second degree tear. We’ll let you listen to the episode to find out just how big her record-setting baby was! Katie talks about just how different births can be, what it takes to become a CPM, ways to manage postpartum hemorrhage, shoulder dystocia maneuvers, safe transfer from out-of-hospital to hospital care, and recent policies that impact midwives attending VBACs. Katie reminds us to choose your birth team wisely, the mind is a powerful thing, and sometimes letting go of expectations is the only way through. VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 449 NICU Nurse Rachel's VBAC Story + Personal & Secondhand Trauma

Mar 25, 2026 1 hr 12 min

Rachel, a VBAC mom, NICU nurse, researcher, and soon to be women’s health NP, shares her healing VBAC journey with us today. Her first birth started as an induction and quickly turned into an urgent cesarean. She experienced a failed spinal, aggression from providers, and general anesthesia. Rachel talks about some tough things she’s seen as a NICU nurse and how trauma can show up secondhand. She shares why it’s so important to process those experiences, and how she uses them to be a more compassionate caregiver. We also talk about what it means to truly be informed during birth. It matters so much to be humanized in those moments, to be talked to and included in decisions as they’re happening instead of being told after the fact. As she prepared for her VBAC, Rachel focused on evidence based care, setting clear boundaries, and building a supportive team around her. We talk about how physiological birth can still be supported in a hospital setting, practical prep like the role of Webster certified chiropractic care, and why partners need time and space to process birth too. Rachel also shares what it was like to have the same doula for both her cesarean and her VBAC and how that support made a difference, not just during birth but in processing everything afterward. Her story is such a good reminder that healing is possible, support matters, and you deserve to feel seen, heard, and respected every step of the way. Keywords: VBAC after traumatic C-section, NICU nurse VBAC story, informed consent VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Evidence on Dates The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 448 Lily & Paige's Ultimate VBAC Prep Guide + "All The Things"

Mar 18, 2026 53 min

If you’ve been with us for a while, you’ve probably heard women say they did all the things to get their VBAC. But what actually are “all the things”? This episode covers it! As moms prepping for their own VBACs and now doulas helping others do the same, Paige (coming hot off a birth!) and Lily sit down to talk about everything you can do before conception and during pregnancy to prepare for an empowering VBAC or repeat cesarean. Scar mobilization, acupuncture, therapy, Webster-certified chiropractic care, what books to read, how to find the right doula, choosing your birth location & team, finances, nutrition, processing trauma, positioning, and so much more. Comment on this episode and let us know what you did to prepare that we missed! ALL THE LINKS: How to Find a Truly Supportive Provider Signs It's Time to Switch Your Provider Deciding Home vs Hospital Birth Choosing VBAC or Repeat C-section Episode 119 Pelvic Movement in Pregnancy and Birth With Gina Conley Episode 160 Everything Left Unsaid Episode 386 Dr. Stu Fischbein & Midwife Blyss Young Our Favorite Books VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 447 IBCLC Angela Das' Induced 2VBACs + Reclaiming Your Breastfeeding Journey

Mar 11, 2026 1 hr 3 min

Breastfeeding is natural, but that doesn’t mean it always comes naturally. In this episode, we chat with Lily’s personal boob fairy🧚🏼 Angela Das (IBCLC, CLC, CNPE and two-time VBAC mom!) about how preparing BEFORE birth can make a big difference in your feeding journey. Angela first shares her own birth stories from her unexpected c-section to her two induced VBACs and the differences in her breastfeeding experiences. She also shares practical tools like prenatal hand expression, what to do if you’re separated from your baby after birth or how to navigate NICU time, and how the hormones of breastfeeding support bonding and milk production. We talk about the differences women often experience when breastfeeding after a cesarean versus a VBAC, and how preparation and support can make all the difference. Angela also breaks down the differences between IBCLCs, lactation nurses, and CLCs, and what it takes to become an IBCLC, the highest level of lactation certification. And if your first breastfeeding experience didn’t go the way you hoped, Angela shares ways to reset and set yourself up for a more supported journey this time around. Most importantly, this episode sends love to every parent listening. However you birth your baby, your experience matters. One path isn’t superior to another. You’ve got options, you’ve got the TVL team cheering for you, and now, you’ve got Angela in your corner too! Watch the full episode on YouTube Motherhood Untamed Lactation with Angela Das, IBCLC, CLC, CNPE VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 446 Ashley's Pain-Free Unmedicated VBAC + CBAC With Placenta Accreta

Mar 4, 2026 1 hr 4 min

Ashley Adynah is a wife, mom of four boys (one bonus son and three birth stories of her own), and the creator behind The Parenting Strategy. She went into her first birth aware of the gap in Black maternity care, spoke up, and was assured by her team that she would be well taken care of. But Ashley’s induction ended in a traumatic C-section compounded by a uterine infection, infected incision, passing out at home, and needing a home nurse. She was dismissed and not believed over and over again. 9 months later, Ashley became pregnant again, and knew she wanted a VBAC. She educated herself, switched providers at 38 weeks after being told she’d need another C-section for a “big baby,” labored at home, and was 8cm when she got to the hospital. She had a pain-free, unmedicated VBAC, delivering her 9 lb 6 oz son with no tears! Her third pregnancy brought new fears when her placenta grew into her previous C-section scar, aka placenta accreta. Lily, Paige, and Ashley dive into what placenta accreta is and what it means for birth. After meeting with lots of specialists and facing the possibility of serious complications, she leaned hard into her faith. During her cesarean, it was confirmed that her accreta had grown into her first C-section scar (and this is why preventing primary cesareans and having the option to VBAC matters!). But Ashley’s placenta detached on its own, she was able to have a horizontal incision, and keep her uterus. Her little boy was 4lb, 11oz and spent 11 days in the NICU. Ashley is incredibly resilient, strong, and so inspiring! Keywords: Black maternal health gap, traumatic C-section, postpartum infection, VBAC story, unmedicated VBAC, placenta accreta, NICU, birth trauma healing, maternal advocacy, birth after cesarean VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 445 Liz's Waterbirth VBA2C After Two General Anesthesia C-Sections + Hope After Trauma

Feb 25, 2026 1 hr 1 min

Liz's first birth was an induction that ended in a cesarean. When she said, “I can feel that,” referring to pressure, her doctor put her under general anesthesia without consent. With her second, Liz planned for a VBAC. The midwife broke her water without consent. She labored to 9.5 centimeters and stalled with a cervical lip. She was overwhelmed by so many hands touching her as they tried to manually resolve it. Liz was defeated and accepted another non-emergent cesarean, this time with the complicated layer of her father-in-law performing it. But before she knew what was happening, she was under general anesthesia again without consent. Twice, she did not hear her baby’s first cry and still has no idea how long it was before she held them. Liz sunk deep into postpartum depression and survival mode. It was years before someone told her what happened wasn’t okay. She began the long road of healing with pelvic floor therapy, talk therapy, and rebuilding her strength. She found God meeting her in the tiniest, most intimate details of her journey. For her third birth, she chose to invest. She traveled for her care. She chose loving, hands-off support with midwife Paige Boran at A Woman’s Place and her doula, Danielle Kent. And this birth was every bit as different as she needed it to be. Spontaneous, waterbirth, en caul. Liz reached down and pulled her baby up out of the water. She heard the first cry. She held her baby first. While this birth didn’t erase what happened before, something in her soul was restored that day. Her autonomy was reclaimed. It was the fought-for and faith-filled waterbirth of her dreams. We get chills and tears every time we talk about Liz’s story, and we know you will absolutely love her like we do! A Woman's Place Danielle Kent Birth & Photography VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 444 TVL Doula Allison's HBAC After Placenta Accreta

Feb 18, 2026 41 min

Allison Champ is a mama of three and a VBAC Link Certified VBAC Doula serving families in the Dayton, Ohio area. Her first birth was an induced, epidural vaginal delivery with a premature manual removal of the placenta, which required a uterine scraping procedure. Allison, Lily & Paige chat about that third stage of labor and what is/isn’t evidence based. Her second pregnancy began as a planned home birth but changed after a 20-week placenta previa diagnosis. Following multiple significant bleeds, she delivered by cesarean at 34 weeks, where placenta accreta was discovered. Allison walks us through what accreta is and what her doctor did to save her from having a hysterectomy. Her baby spent one week in the NICU and Allison shares how tough it was to not be able to go home to her toddler due to COVID. For her third pregnancy, Allison planned a home birth (HBAC) with co-care. She had a fast labor, a surprise gender (boy!), and a shoulder dystocia that was smoothly resolved by her team. Her girls were right by her side taking pictures with their Polaroid cameras and cheering their mama on. Allison wraps up her episode by saying how each of her very different births have made her a better doula. She is thankful that the tough moments have helped her savor the sweet ones even more. Keywords: induction, cesarean, NICU, VBAC prep, co-care, placenta accreta, placenta previa, advocacy, third stage management Allison's Doula Website VBAC Certified Doula Finder The VBAC Link Supportive Provider List The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Submit Your VBAC/CBAC Story Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 443 Brianna's Birth Center VBAC + Switching Providers in the Third Trimester

Feb 11, 2026 52 min

“Women should feel excited about giving birth and every woman should feel confident in giving birth.” Brianna’s first birth didn’t feel this way. She transferred to the hospital from a birth center at 42 weeks for a Foley induction. And before labor even started, she was already mentally preparing for a c-section. Pitocin was started without her consent. After about 14 hours, an epidural, AROM, and being stuck at 4 cm, she ultimately had a cesarean at 6 cm after 30 hours of labor due to heart decels. “It breaks you down mentally and physically.” When she became pregnant with her second, Bri thought she’d have another c-section, until her provider told her about VBAC. Then she decided she was all in. Bri found The VBAC Link podcast and listened to three episodes a day on the treadmill. After hearing Lily’s 66-hour labor story, she thought, “If she could do it, I can do it.” She transferred providers and vigorously prepped physically and mentally. When the time came, she was excited to be in labor! She experienced moments that felt similar, but weren’t. She pushed for just 20 minutes, and her midwife later said it was the funniest birth she’d ever attended. Now, as a junior high health teacher, Bri is normalizing birth (and VBAC!) for 11-year-olds. We know you will love her just as much as we do. She is as hilarious as she is inspiring, and her stories are a joy! The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 442 Magdalena’s 2VBAM (Vaginal Births After Myomectomy) in South Africa + Navigating Infertility

Feb 5, 2026 1 hr 1 min

Our first VBAM (vaginal birth after myomectomy) was Episode 189 with Mabel back in 2022 and we are SO excited to finally be bringing you another! Maria Magdalena “Mags” Campbell joins us from Cape Town, South Africa to share her inspiring story through loss, fertility challenges, and ultimately TWO VBAM births. With the support of Chinese medicine, acupuncture, progesterone, and a fertility coach, Mags went on to conceive her son naturally. She met with 8 doctors before finally finding a VBAM supportive provider and hospital at 32 weeks. After a successful ECV for a breech baby, she went on to have a hospital VBAM with an epidural at 9 cm at 40+1 weeks, welcoming her 3.9-kg son. Her second pregnancy came easily and felt very different. Mags prepped similarly with things like Chinese medicine and acupuncture, but leaned even more into holistic prep through breathwork, meditation, yoga, and doula support. Mags chose a hospital birth over a home birth and went on to have a euphoric, unmedicated vaginal water birth at 40+3 weeks, welcoming her 4.1-kg daughter. During her prep, Mags connected with Mabel and she hopes that her stories can bring the same inspiration that Mabel’s did for her. We are also posting a new blog all about VBAM in honor of Mags’ episode that you can find at www.thevbaclink.com/blog. American Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology (AOGS) PubMed Study European Journal of Obstetrics & Gynecology Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology Canada JOGC ScienceDirect Review Episode 189 Mabel's VBAM (Vaginal Birth After Myomectomy) Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 441 Dr. Hazel Keedle, PhD Returns + The Clinician's Guide to Better Birth After Caesarean

Jan 28, 2026 1 hr 0 min

We’re thrilled to welcome back Dr. Hazel Keedle from Sydney, Australia! Dr. Keedle is a researcher, midwife, Director of Midwifery Academic Programs and Senior Lecturer at Western Sydney University back to discuss her book, A Clinician’s Guide to Birth After Cesarean, released in August 2025. In this episode, Hazel shares insight from her years of research into VBAC experiences and clinical care. She talks about birth and the “Olympic coach” analogy, how providers can balance risks between VBAC and repeat cesarean, and the best ways to use research in your decision making. Hazel, Paige, and Lily also unpack the importance of removing terms like trial, fail, and success to better honor every story. Hazel also graciously offers her personal perspective on how clinicians can process difficult outcomes and still show up with compassion, empathy, and belief to help every mother birth the way she desires. The Clinician’s Guide to Better Birth After Caesarean Birth After Caesarean: Your Journey to a Better Birth The Birth Experience Study The VBAC Link Podcast Episode 209 Dr. Keedle’s Publication - Debriefing Women’s Birth Experiences The Perinatal Experience of Women With a History of Intimate Partner Violence The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 440 Irene's Unmedicated VBA2C + Placenta Previa

Jan 21, 2026 39 min

After an induction at 41+3 weeks turned emergency cesarean with her first and a second cesarean at 42 weeks due to failure to progress, Irene had an unmedicated VBA2C with full placenta previa pregnancy that resolved at 30 weeks! Irene started her VBA2C pregnancy journey at a new practice that was not VBAC supportive and told her to schedule a cesarean at her first 8-week appointment. She switched providers at 20 weeks and owes her successful unmedicated VBA2C to the many different people and routines she incorporated into her pregnancy. Irene shares allll of her prep details with us including prayer, meditation, zoning out to Pink Floyd, and how she created a special labor visualization ritual so that when it was time for the real thing, she was excited, ready, and so at peace. She says, “If providers aren't informing you about all the resources out there that you can utilize to prepare for your VBA2C, they're likely not going to be very supportive during your birth.” Keywords: VBAC, placenta previa, birth stories, maternal health, pregnancy, women's empowerment, childbirth education, supportive care, doula, prenatal preparation The VBAC Link Blog: VBA2C: The Facts and Statistics The VBAC Link Blog: 6 Ways to Physically Prep for VBAC The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 439 TVL Team Member Ashley Marg's 2VBA2C Stories

Jan 14, 2026 47 min

“You only have to make one good decision at a time.” We are so excited to welcome our very own TVL team member, Ashley Marg, back on the podcast today! Ashley is our Maternal Health & Communication Strategist and you will find her beautifully writing VBAC content on our blog and in your email inboxes. You can find her first three birth stories in depth on Episode 249, but after a short recap, Ashley shares her rollercoaster of a 2VBA2C story. Her fourth birth was an induced 2VBA2C at 40+5 due to a failed biophysical profile and advanced maternal age. Ashley talks about her emotional induction with a Foley, the moment she knew she needed to ask for an epidural, and a surprise ending! More than anything, Ash wants our community to know that you do not have to commit to a date, a plan, or a schedule in birth. You just have to make the next good decision. Ashley also shares how her calm, steady doula changed the entire vibe of her birth. She talks about her path to doula work and how it led to joining The VBAC Link team. We are SO grateful to have Ashley as part of our team and know you will feel the warmth and wisdom that we love so much about her! Episode 249 Ashley's VBA2C + Postdates + Releasing Fears The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 438 Get to Know Your New Hosts: 20 Questions with Lily & Paige

Jan 12, 2026 45 min

We’re bringing you a bonus episode this week!! Your new hosts Lily and Paige sit down and turn the tables on each other with a fun game of 20 Questions. They share everything from their personal backgrounds to their favorite things, silly stories, and opening up about what led them to The VBAC Link and doula work. They also talk about their hopes for the future of the podcast and how much they’ve already loved working together. While change can feel big, they’re so grateful for this community and excited for what’s ahead. Most of all, Paige and Lily promise to keep showing up with heart and continuing to bring you the best education, support, and encouragement to help you feel empowered on your journey to a beautiful birth experience! And if you have more questions for either Lily or Paige, send us an email at info@thevbaclink.com. Episode 357 Paige's Maternal Assisted Cesarean in South Korea Episode 379 Lily Wyn's 66-Hour Redemptive Hospital Water Birth VBAC The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 437 THE BIG ANNOUNCEMENT!!

Jan 6, 2026 54 min

We’ve been keeping this secret for months and are so excited that we get to finally share!! Join us in this tender and bittersweet episode as we honor Meagan for the legacy she has created through her work hosting this podcast. Meagan has changed SO many lives, and our TVL team is so happy she’s sticking around to help this movement continue to grow and thrive! And let’s give the warmest welcome to our new hosts of The VBAC Link podcast, Paige and Lily!! Tune in to hear more about who they are and how they fell in love with TVL. To our community of women of strength, birth workers, providers, partners, and anyone who finds themselves listening to our podcast, we thank you for being here. As we evolve, The VBAC Link is ALWAYS committed to providing stories, information, and hope to make birth after cesarean the best it can possibly be! Episode 357 Paige's Maternal Assisted Cesarean in South Korea Episode 379 Lily Wyn's 66-Hour Redemptive Hospital Water Birth VBAC The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 436 Amanda’s Scheduled Repeat Cesarean Turned VBAC

Dec 31, 2025 42 min

For this last episode of 2025, we wanted to emphasize just how unique all VBAC journeys really are, and Amanda’s story does just that! Women of Strength, VBACs are possible in sooo many different scenarios, even the ones that weren’t planned or prepped for. Amanda thought she was having a planned C-section, but with a little gentle encouragement from her care team, she ended up with an unplanned, completely intervention-free VBAC. The way Amanda’s team communicated with her every step of the way is SO COOL to hear about. Her first birth was a traumatic crash C-section with NICU time and postpartum anxiety/OCD, but her second was healing and empowering. Amanda wants other moms to know that while you don’t have to do all the “things” to have a VBAC, prep can make a big difference. We’re so grateful to our podcast guests, listeners, and support this year! Andddd….. We are excited to share some BIG news for the podcast in 2026. Stay tuned for next week’s HUGE announcement! Any guesses on what it might be?? Needed Website: Code VBAC for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 435 Surrendering to Birth: A Guided Meditation with Meagan Heaton

Dec 24, 2025 12 min

This Christmas Eve episode is something a little different and very special! For over 400 episodes, you’ve heard our founder, Meagan Heaton, encourage, educate, and validate women through all types of birth stories. Now, she’s slowing down and speaking that encouragement directly to YOU. This episode is just a warm moment to simply pause, breathe, and feel supported. This episode is for all women, in any season. Whether you are preparing for a VBAC, processing a CBAC, riding that healing birth high or struggling through postpartum, Meagan’s words are meant to meet you right where you are. She shares how much she loves this community and how deeply she believes in you. May you feel seen, held, and reminded that you are never alone. We are always cheering for you. The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 434 Kela's Redemptive HBA2C with a 9.5lb Baby + Cervical Scar Massage During Labor

Dec 17, 2025 48 min

Kela is an inspiring mama who joins us today sharing her HBA2C story! All three of Kela’s pregnancies were planned home births, yet her first two ended in cesarean after long labors labeled “failure to progress”, concerns of chorio, tachycardia, and fever. Though the odds were stacked against her, Kela never let go of the dreamy home birth she knew in her bones was possible. With the support of an incredibly skilled and VBAC-supportive midwife, Kela achieved an incredible home birth after two cesareans! This birth included over nine hours of pushing, continuity of care, and manual cervical scar tissue work during labor. Meagan and Kela dive into more details about cervical scar tissue, something that definitely isn’t talked about very much! Kela says, “I knew deep down I could have the vaginal birth I always desired. And I did. It was the farthest thing from easy, but I couldn’t have done it without my incredible midwife who owns In Due Season Birth Center. She specializes in VBACs and she believed in me the whole way.” Needed Website: Code VBAC for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

Episode 433 Anna from Sacred Birth International: Daring to Birth Differently

Dec 10, 2025 1 hr 9 min

“Peace on earth begins with birth.” In this powerful episode, Meagan sits down with Anna Lundqvist, founder of Sacred Birth International. Anna is a seasoned midwife from Sweden whose work has evolved into educating birthing families, doulas, and birth professionals on how to protect birth as a sacred, primal, and physiological event. Drawing from years of attending births around the world, Anna now focuses on teaching how to reclaim the innate design of birth, preserve reverence throughout the process, and support mothers in advocating for their autonomy. Her philosophy is rooted deeply in trauma-informed care and physiological birth wisdom. Meagan and Anna let the conversation flow naturally as they dive into induction, cervical checks, trauma, and the harsh realities many families face within the medical system. Anna offers heartfelt insight on processing fears, discerning intuition from anxiety, and why she often encourages VBAC at home for those who feel aligned with that path. Thank you for joining us today, @sacredbirthinternational for a very special conversation!! Content warning: This episode includes frank discussion of birth after sexual abuse and trauma. Please listen with care. Needed Website: Code VBAC for 20% Off The Ultimate VBAC Prep Course for Parents Online VBAC Doula Training Advertising Inquiries: https://redcircle.com/brands

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Created by: Lily Wyn & Paige Lloyd
Status: Active
Latest episode: Nov 10, 2026
Episodes: 488
Release period: Weekly
Avg. episode length: 51 min
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Language: English

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