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What the UFO? We hold public conversations about the emerging science of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. We talk about what UFO/UAP might be, with a focus on how we should move forward. What research should we conduct? What institutions should we build? What laws should we pass? Should we try to make contact? How can each of us help? If you're a researcher, experiencer or ufologist and you'd like to share your story or get the word out about your work, please find us on X @WTUFOshow.  If you're enjoying our show and you'd like to help us keep making it, please support us at patreon.com/WTUFO 

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John Priestland 2026 ~ uNHIdden Founder and Chairman

58 min

John founded the nonprofit org uNHIdden to help prepare society for the ontological shock of learning more about UAP. Their latest paper focuses on public health preparations to anticipate and minimize mental health challenges that might accompany disclosure of nonhuman intelligence on Earth. uNHIdden: https://www.unhidden.org/ Preparing for Disclosure Report: https://www.unhidden.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/uNHIdden-Preparedness-Plan-Final-1.pdf Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO

Marc S. Wilson ~ Attorney

1 hr 4 min

Marc is an attorney and a former Congressional Communications Director. His interest in UAP led him to dig into legal records, and we discuss four of the cases he found here. We talk about the intersection of national security and public interest, the likely existence of secret technology, and the legal avenues toward formal disclosure. Hope you enjoy! Documents from the court cases we discuss: https://wtufo.com/marc-wilson-legal-documents-area-51-state-secrets/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Christopher Noel ~ Writer, Editor, Prosessor

51 min

Christopher Noël is a writer, thinker, and retired professor. He holds a Masters in philosophy and teaches and edits creative writing. He's fascinated by the paranormal, and holds the view that UAP are manifestations of some as yet unexplained conscious activity. Christopher's website: https://www.thenearnessofyou.net/ Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

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John Priestland 2026 ~ uNHIdden Founder and Chairman

58 min

John founded the nonprofit org uNHIdden to help prepare society for the ontological shock of learning more about UAP. Their latest paper focuses on public health preparations to anticipate and minimize mental health challenges that might accompany disclosure of nonhuman intelligence on Earth. uNHIdden: https://www.unhidden.org/ Preparing for Disclosure Report: https://www.unhidden.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/06/uNHIdden-Preparedness-Plan-Final-1.pdf Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO

Marc S. Wilson ~ Attorney

1 hr 4 min

Marc is an attorney and a former Congressional Communications Director. His interest in UAP led him to dig into legal records, and we discuss four of the cases he found here. We talk about the intersection of national security and public interest, the likely existence of secret technology, and the legal avenues toward formal disclosure. Hope you enjoy! Documents from the court cases we discuss: https://wtufo.com/marc-wilson-legal-documents-area-51-state-secrets/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Christopher Noel ~ Writer, Editor, Prosessor

51 min

Christopher Noël is a writer, thinker, and retired professor. He holds a Masters in philosophy and teaches and edits creative writing. He's fascinated by the paranormal, and holds the view that UAP are manifestations of some as yet unexplained conscious activity. Christopher's website: https://www.thenearnessofyou.net/ Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Ron James ~ Accidental Truth Filmmaker, MUFON Media Relations Director

44 min

Ron is a documentary filmmaker with two features about UFOs: Accidental Truth https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Tp_Q_jyNI Accidental Truth: Next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASCppLdK13s We discuss his experiences researching UFO phenomena and engaging with scientists and government officials to get better information. He shares his views of the questions we need to start confronting, and what we need to change to move forward together. If you like WTUFO, support us on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Or join the WTUFO YouTube Membership https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Thank you for watching!

Christian Stepien ~ CTO of NUFORC

48 min

Christian Stepien is the Chief Technical Officer of the National UFO Reporting Center. We talk about NUFORC's operations, their extensive data collection, the kinds of sightings they frequently process, and other topics. Check them out to explore their sighting catalog or report your own experience: https://nuforc.org/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees | Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ | Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Matthew Tuttle ~ Capital Fund Manager

41 min

Matthew Tuttle started $UFOD, an investment fund built to capitalize on potential revalations about secret advanced technology. We talk about his investment strategy, the nature of the secret tech we may have developed, and his intuitions about the legacy research program. If you like WTUFO, support us on Patreon https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/

Andrew Fraknoi ~ SETI Board Member, Astronomy Professor

56 min

Andrew and I discuss the progress and future of SETI, the challenge of global communication with nonhuman intelligence, and the pursuit of UAP data. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Join WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Jonathan Miller ~ Entrepreneur, MIT Research Affiliate

1 hr 4 min

Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Jonathan Miller works in frontier tech, research and development. He vounteers for Americans for Safe Aerospace, and ran a course at MIT called Confronting Unknowns. We discuss the challenge of considering UAP and means and methods for getting better information about this tricky subject. Jonathan's Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tough-tech-today-with-meyen-and-miller/id1527322834 Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/ Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join

Rhys Dalton Morgan (UFOzzie)

1 hr 3 min

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Tim Burke ~ Writer, Director, Producer

49 min

Send a text Tim's Site: www.theageofcommunication.com Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Daniel Otis ~ Investigative Journalist

51 min

Send a text Daniel Otis is an investigative journalist who covers UAP for Canadian and international news organizations. He works primarily with direct reports and documents, often retrieved by legal information requests. Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Jordan Flowers ~ Disclosure Foundation Executive Director

50 min

Send a text Jordan leads the nonprofit Disclosure Foundation, a nonprofit supporting policy, legal and education actions to advance official disclosure and coordinate societal response thereto. He comes to this role after a 20-year career in corporate finance—he's a sharp tack and a good guy. We're honored to host him and learn about his work. Hope you enjoy! Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

5 Resoultions For UFOlogy

11 min

Send a text Cultivate ConverationsFund and Organize ScienceHold Government AccountableEducate and Encourage the MediaPublicly Contact Nonhuman IntelligencesHappy New Year, everyone! Wishing you a fun, successful 2026.  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

What's Going On With UFOs ~ Best Guess

35 min

Send a text A fun one for the end of 2025—this is my honest best guess about what's going on with UFOs. All the details from their origin to the time they've been here to their overarching agenda. Just pure, unfiltered, wild-eyed speculation. Hope you enjoy!  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

3 Likely Disclosure Scenarios

25 min

Send a text What's actually going to happen? I've thought hard about it and this is what I think is likely.  1. A Presidential Address 2. An NHI Reveal 3. A Gradual Realization In this fun, punchy episode, I tease out these possibilities and drive toward what I think we should be doing to prepare for and encourage them.  Happy holidays everyone. I wish you and your loved ones all a peaceful, healthy season.  3  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  | Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  |  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  |  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

UFO Media Criticism

32 min

Send a text The main engines of American news media do a terrible job covering UFOs. What should they resolve to improve?  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

How Should We Think About Disclosure?

36 min

Send a text I'd like to start a conversation here and invite you to participate. Please meet us on our YouTube Community page to engage in the discussion: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO/community Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

What Should We Do About UFOs?

54 min

Send a text I've been making WTUFO since the summer of 2024, so I take an episode here to share what I think is happening with UFOs, what my show is for, and what we should all do about this wild situation.  Thank you for listening!  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  The bullet points I cover in this episode are:  1. What Is Happening? a) NHI on Earthb) Military Secretsc) Emerging Physics2. What Is WTUFO For? a) Normalizing the UFO Conversation b) Exploring Different Perspectives c) Finding Action Steps3. What Should We Do? a) Wake People Upb) Fund More Sciencec) Engage Publicly With NHII'd love to hear what you think! Come chime in on YouTube or at the show's Patreon Page. Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Brenda Denzler ~ Jinn, UFOs and Religious Trickster Creatures

1 hr 9 min

Send a text Brenda is a mostly retired writer, editor, and sometime speaker currently living in rural North Carolina. She received her Ph.D. in religious studies from Duke University in 1998 and is the author of The Lure of the Edge: Scientific Passions, Religious Beliefs, and the Pursuit of UFOs, (University of California Press, 2001), a couple of invited chapters in scholarly books on religion and the UFO sub-culture, and a few articles on UFOs and religion. Her current interest is in mining humanity’s folkloric and religious traditions to better understand the provenance and nature of “the gods,” the gentry, elementals, jinn, angels/demons, and similar entities in terms that treat them as something other than fictions with no more substance than mirrors into which we look to regulate, console, or understand ourselves as human beings. Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees   Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/   Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO   Join WTUFO YouTube Membership:  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Jim Madden ~ Thinking Carefully About UAP

58 min

Send a text Dr. James Madden teaches philosophy at Benedictine College. He's written three books, including "Unidentified Flying Hyperobject: UFOs, Philosophy, and the End of the World."  We discuss how to think carefully about UAP, the probabilities of their origins, the tension between caution and productive investigation, what it would take to prove UAP are nonhuman, and the possibilities of contact.  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Join WTUFO on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Join WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Jim's Papers: https://www.jdmadden.com/philosophy-course  Jim's Substack: https://jdmadden.substack.com/  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Karin Austin ~ Director of the Center for the Impossible at Rice University, Executive Director of the John Mack Institute

1 hr 38 min

Send a text Karin Austin leads both the Center for the Impossible at Rice University and the John Mack Institute. In the 1990's, Karin worked with the late Harvard psychiatrist, John E. Mack, M.D., contributing her own experiences to his research into the abduction phenomenon, and eventually transitioning into the role of his personal assistant.  After Dr. Mack's death in 2004, Karin was pivotal in helping Dr. Mack's family close his estate, an effort that eventually led to collaborating with Wilson Research Center's Head of Special Collections, Amanda Focke, and Rice University's Dr. Jeff Kripal, to transfer and digitize a major donation of Dr. Mack's phenomenon-related materials.  The archives of the Center for the Impossible have grown to include collections from more than a dozen UFO researchers. Karin is leading the effort to digitize these materials, preserving them for future investigation and making them increasingly accessible for scientifically rigorous data analysis.  The specific nature of this work makes up the bulk of our conversation. We also discuss Karin's views of the phenomenon and her perspective on how humanity should proceed as we steadily learn more about it.  Show Links:  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join Center for the Impossible Records Collection: https://archives.library.rice.edu/repositories/2/classifications/25?&page=1  Archives of the Impossible Home: https://impossiblearchives.rice.edu/  John Mack Institute Home: http://johnemackinstitute.org/  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Stephen Bruehl ~ Coauthor of Transient Papers

46 min

Send a text Dr. Stephen Bruehl cowrote two blockbuster papers on transient points of light in 1950s astronomy pictures. He explains to us why these findings are unlikely to be anything other than reflective physical objects in geosynchronous orbit.  Join WTUFO: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Multiple Transients Paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1538-3873/ae0afe  Nuclear Association Paper: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-21620-3  Press Release: https://www.su.se/english/news/unexpected-patterns-in-historical-astronomical-observations-1.855042  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Jim Quirk ~ Encounter Experiencer, UFO Witness, Podcast Host

1 hr 27 min

Send a text Jim's Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/QuirkZone  Jim's Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4DxSG1jjl1gPnF6xYrU2Cz  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Seth Borkowski ~ Host of The Spiritual Skeptic

1 hr 30 min

Send a text Seth has a masters in psychology and works in fintech. He also podcasts about aliens with a cheerfully comedic bent. You can fond his show The Spiritual Skeptic here: https://thespiritualskeptic.buzzsprout.com/ Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Brett Robinson ~ Notre Dame Media Studies Professor

49 min

Send a text Brett's faculty page: https://mcgrath.nd.edu/about/faculty-staff/brett-robinson-ph-d/  Brett's Documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA0ah6Xmqus  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Nicola Mitchell ~ Independent Journalist

1 hr 2 min

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Sarah Gamm ~ USACE Scientist, Former Intelligence Analyst with NRO, NGA, ODNI, Lockheed, Boeing, SAIC

2 hr 2 min

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Liam Breck ~ Software Entrepreneur, Philosopher

1 hr 46 min

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Congressional UFO Hearing Walk-Through, September 9, 2025

1 hr 0 min

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John Ramirez ~ Retired CIA Officer, Experiencer

3 hr 10 min

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Leslie and Stephen Shaw ~ Journalist and Experiencer, Authors

1 hr 43 min

Send a text Join Us on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Leslie and Stephen's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Who-They-Are-What-Theyre/dp/B0BKCQ363C/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0  Music by John Hubbell: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

John Priestland ~ uNHidden Founder and Chairman

1 hr 1 min

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Victor Viggiani ~ Researcher, Journalist, Podcast Host, Founder of Zland Communications

1 hr 29 min

Send a text Victor's Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/zlandcommunications/episodes/Daniel-Sheehan---The-ET-Presence-and-the-Human-Family-er8ju8?utm_source=chatgpt.com  Zland Communications: https://sites.google.com/site/zlandcommunications/zlandcommunications-overview-and-current-news?authuser=0 Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Massimo Teodorani ~ Astrophysicist, Author, Musician

1 hr 22 min

Send a text Join WTUFO YouTube Membership: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Dr. Teodorani's website: https://massimoteodorani.wordpress.com/  Jenny Randles book: https://www.amazon.com/Ufo-Retrievals-Recovery-Alien-Spacecraft/dp/0713724935  Ehrling Strand: https://www.erling-strand.no/english/  Dr. Teodorani's Books: https://massimoteodorani.wordpress.com/category/books/  Penrose consciousness article: https://philpapers.org/rec/HAMCEA  SUAPS course Syllabus: https://www.societyforuapstudies.org/_files/ugd/2267bd_991a4c2026b14ca7831642f803818652.pdf  Afterlife article:  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/391194735_HOW_CAN_CONSCIOUSNESS_SURVIVE_AFTER_PERMANENT_BODILY_DEATH  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

David Gladstone ~ Author, Experiencer

58 min

Send a text David is a lifelong experiencer with some wild personal encounters. We take an uncritical trip through his stories and get his views on the cosmic situation.  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO   Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Chad Wanless ~ UAP Video Analysis

1 hr 15 min

Send a text This episode is primarily visual, so you may enjoy watching on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Dm7qAi2aLb8  Chad and Caleb walk through a video analysis for the first fifteen minutes, then Chad expands his presentation on potential evidence of warp propulsion in UAP videos for the rest of the show.  Is this video real? We obviously don't know. It does seem too good to be true, but it has a few details that make it seem potentially real. Neither of us is an expert in special effects, so we'd love to hear what any SFX experts think.  Chad's First WTUFO: https://youtu.be/NRAY9qFt2UY  TikTok Video Source: https://www.tiktok.com/@md_ridoy_ahmed145/video/7209117204732841217  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Lacey Jay Forbes ~ Experiencer, Author, Vlogger, Spiritual Researcher

57 min

Send a text Lacey is an author, vlogger and spiritual researcher. We discuss her investigations into spiritual realities, her UFO sighting, and her experience of encountering an unidentified being.  Show Links:  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Support WTUFO on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Lacey's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Seek-Ye-Shall-Find-Gateway/dp/B0C9SDCGF6  Lacey’s Being Encounter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9UE8rEw6c  Links from Lacey:  "What the Vedas say about extraterrestrial life?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3cJ2BIM4X4  "The lower planets (understanding the Vedic Universe #3)" https://youtu.be/WSa0v4-j-WI?si=MW9T4kXZgU7ARcd5  "Higher and Lower Realms of the Vedic Universe (Devas and Asuras)" https://youtu.be/8IMANoh4Mus?si=YH2B3rwzZQWhccbW  "Upper Planets and Celestial Beings (Understanding the Vedic Universe #2)" https://youtu.be/VABMTfz13AI?si=REvB5W3ozPbOv0Av  "The Mysterious Universe of the Vedas (Vedic Cosmology, new series #1)" https://youtu.be/IfU5ERlTqpQ?si=8N1Xfmv6goA56R8o  Examples of the Spirit realm on TV:  Green Snake Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iso7KRWhjNk (Asuraville)  The Monkey King (which is about the Spirit realms) https://youtu.be/5vc_ndiUMcg?si=dV0dAqWVcjYKmeti  Elemental Kingdoms/ Spirit realm: "Ice Fantasy"  (Kind of like Avatar the last Airbender with the Elements) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h86VphklkSE  What happens in the Afterlife? "Defending your life" 1991 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LKmo7L7A32h1  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Deborah Ward ~ Research Librarian

1 hr 32 min

Send a text Deborah holds two master's degrees and built a career directing the administration of health science libraries and other specialized collections. She comes to the UAP topic as a curious learner with a passion for organizing information.  In this episode, Deborah and Caleb lay out their rundown of introductory resources for people learning about UAP, from books to podcasts to supporting documents of various kinds.  They've started gathering some of these documents in the UAP Resources page of wtufo.com here: https://wtufo.com/category/uap-resources/   One correction: Caleb describes the New Paradigm Institute as an academic organization in this episode, and that's really more the province of its partner Ubiquity University. New Paradigm Institute is a nonprofit advocacy organization focused mostly on raising awareness of UAP and working toward military transparency, including by pursuing legal action. You can check out their site here: https://newparadigminstitute.org/   And Ubiquity University here: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/  Deb's CV: https://library.missouri.edu/contactus/ward/  Join WTUFO: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1dX8lyn1zQSLelJ_cU2TQ/join  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Jörg Matthias Determann ~ Author of Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life

1 hr 27 min

Send a text Dr. Determann is the author of Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World and a professor of history at Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar. He joins WTUFO to explore intersections between the UAP phenomenon and Islamic thought.   Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World:  https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755650360  Islamic Theology and Extraterrestrial Life: New Frontiers in Science and Religion: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755601270  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Shop Spacefare: https://spacefare.etsy.com  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Michael Kelly - Experiencer Researcher

1 hr 35 min

Send a text Michael Kelly uses the skills from his philosophy degree and graduate-level teaching assistant work to research reports of encounters with nonhuman beings. He is a research fellow at the Archives of the Impossible, though he appears here entirely in a personal capacity.  We discuss the striking data that emerges from experiencer reports, from the kinds of beings people report meeting to the types of encounters they describe. Michael shares data graphics in the YouTube version of this episode, which you can find here https://youtu.be/WXpbtZJBTVQ  Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Produced by Spacefare https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO to help it keep existing https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Janis Whitlock ~ Developmental Psychologist, Research Scientist Emerita, Visible College Leadership, John Mack Institute Adviser

1 hr 45 min

Send a text  Dr. Janis Whitlock is a developmental psychologist and research scientist emerita from Cornell University, renowned for her work in adolescent mental health and self-injury recovery. In recent years, she has expanded her scholarly pursuits into the realm of UAP studies. As a member of the leadership team of The Visible College, a volunteer collective of scholars dedicated to serious UAP research, Dr. Whitlock explores the intersections of human consciousness, trauma, and anomalous phenomena. Her interdisciplinary approach integrates scientific inquiry with spiritual and psychological perspectives, aiming to deepen our understanding of human potential and the broader implications of UAP encounters.  We discuss mysterious communication with nonhuman beings, negotiating ontological updates with our peers, and how to keep our heads on straight as we navigate this time of intense change for our species.  Support the Show: https://www.patreon.com/wtufo  Spacefare Shop: spacefare.etsy.com  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Chad Wanless and Dave Palachik ~ UAP Researchers, Authors and Field Study Engineers

2 hr 10 min

Send a text Chad Wanless is an Engineering Technologist with over 30 years of experience in mechanical design, specializing in optics and lighting technologies. Professor Dave Palachik is a Senior Electrical & Electronic Engineering Technologist, National Director Emeritus of MUFON Canada, and an expert in infrared and electronic security systems.  We discuss their book "Hidden in Plain Sight: Evidence of Exotic UFO Propulsion," which proposes that UAP create visible gravitational lensing around themselves. This theory provides a promising avenue for future research, and implies that these craft may use some form of spacetime warping drive.  Music by John Hubbell https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Spacefare Shop https://spacefare.etsy.com  Support WTUFO https://www.patreon.com/wtufo  Show Links:  Chad and Dave's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Plain-Sight-Evidence-Propulsion-ebook/dp/B0F2N7KNKJ/  MUFON Canada https://mufoncanada.com/  UFO Video Described in Episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhWDaA7qK4  The Rubber Duck UFO Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ_Zb0GdI4  Rob Freeman UFO World Explorer, Marysburgh episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcxBDE1ZeFo  Harold White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._White  UFO DAP https://ufodap.com/  ACE - alien cosmic expo  CSSAA (site under construction) https://cssaa.org/  Santilli - Dark Light  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304339066_Apparent_Detection_via_New_Telescopes_with_Concave_Lenses_of_Otherwise_Invisible_Terrestrial_Entities_ITE  Chad and Dave's Contact Page https://true-experiences.ca/  Chad on X https://x.com/CWanlessAuthor  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Ralph Blumenthal ~ Investigative Journalist, Author, Professor

1 hr 2 min

Send a text Ralph is a distinguished professor, journalist and author with a long and varied career. He's contributed especially significantly to the UFO conversation in recent years with his bombshell reporting and his deep, detailed biography of John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist who investigated abduction experiences.  We discuss the experiencer phenomenon, the stubborn mysteries at the heart of UAP research, and how other journalists and news editors can better approach this subject with intellectual rigor.  Ralph's Faculty Page: https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/profiles/faculty/Ralph-Blumenthal  "The Believer" John Mack Biography: https://www.amazon.com/Believer-Alien-Encounters-Science-Passion/dp/0826362311  Ralph's 2017 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html  2019 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html  2023 Debrief Story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/  Spacefare Shop: https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Music by John Hubbell: https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

Dr. Jacob Haqq Misra ~ Director and Senior Research Investigator, Blue Marble Space Institute of Science

1 hr 45 min

Send a text Dr. Misra is an astrobiologist interested in understanding the origin, distribution, and future of life. His research includes the study of planetary habitability, extraterrestrial life, environmental ethics, and space settlement.  Jacob contributes to monthly meetings with the Galileo Project, and he supports public funding for UAP research. We discuss the search for exobiology, the state of SETI and METI, and the emerging field of UAP science.  Jacob's Site:  https://www.haqqmisra.net/home  Blue Marble Space:  https://bmsis.org/  Spacefare Shop:  https://spacefare.etsy.com/  Support WTUFO:  https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO  Music by John Hubbell:  https://mathoftrees.bandcamp.com/album/math-of-trees  Support the show Support WTUFO: https://www.patreon.com/WTUFO | Watch on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@WhatTheUFO | Say hi: https://x.com/WTUFOshow

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