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Meg Laidlaw & Jillian Pezet

Rooted & Rehumanizing

A Self-Improvement , Education and Business podcast

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Rooted & Rehumanizing is a podcast for bold, heart-led leaders and entrepreneurs ready to do business differently. Hosted by Jillian and Meg, we explore what it means to lead with integrity, live with intention, and bring humanity back to work. Through raw conversations, real reflections, and unapologetic truth, this podcast invites you to root deeper, lead truer, and rise higher, in your work and your life.

Newest episodes

066: Clearing Space for Greater Possibility

33 min

What if the things taking up the most space in our lives aren't the things we can see, but the beliefs, expectations, and patterns we've been carrying without even realizing it? In this episode, Meg and Jill explore what it really means to clear space. Not just in our homes or schedules, but within our minds, bodies, relationships, and the energy we allow into our lives. They talk about how every input has a downstream effect, how easily we can fill our lives with things that don't actually align with what matters most, and why sometimes the best place to start is by clearing everything away and intentionally deciding what deserves to come back. Jill shares a deeply personal realization about how a lifelong limiting belief shaped the way she experienced herself and the world, while Meg offers practical ways to take inventory of what gives us energy, what drains us, and what we're holding onto simply because we've always made room for it. But the conversation goes deeper than decluttering or setting boundaries. Because clearing space isn't just about removing what no longer serves us. It's about creating the capacity to recognize what does. And perhaps the most powerful realization is that we don't have to fill every space we create. Sometimes the space itself is exactly what we've been needing. What We Explore Clearing space beyond the physical, including mental, emotional, and energetic clutterRecognizing how every input has a downstream effect on our thoughts, energy, and daily experiencesStarting with what matters most and building our lives around our actual valuesThe power of clearing everything away before deciding what deserves to come backHow limiting beliefs and old narratives quietly take up more space than we realizeBeing honest with ourselves about what we truly want versus what others expect of usTaking an energy inventory to recognize what replenishes us and what leaves us depletedCreating space for greater presence, connection, flexibility, and unexpe...

065: Becoming Her, Being Her, and Trusting the In-Between

22 min

What if becoming who we are meant to be isn't about constantly reaching for a better version of ourselves, but finally recognizing the person we've been becoming all along? In this episode, Meg and Jill reflect on their own journeys of becoming, the moments that have shaped them, and what it feels like to finally start being her instead of always trying to get there. They explore the power of glimmers, those little moments of joy, recognition, and clarity that remind us who we are and how far we've come. Sometimes we recognize them ourselves. Other times, the people who love us have been reflecting those pieces back to us for years, patiently waiting for us to see them too. They also share a heartfelt voice memo from someone in their community, reminding them of the ripple effect that happens when we show up authentically and invite others to do the same. And they talk about something that can be incredibly difficult when we're used to pushing ourselves forward: learning to trust the natural rhythms of life. Because being her doesn't mean always feeling confident, inspired, productive, or happy. It means learning to trust ourselves through the highs, the lows, and everything in between. What We Explore Becoming her versus being herRecognizing how much we've grown by looking back at where we startedThe ripple effect of authentic conversations and the power of communityLearning to recognize glimmers, not just triggersHow the people who love us can see and reflect our true selves before we doLetting go of comparison and appreciating the different ways people show up for usFinding safety in honoring our own needs and boundariesThe natural ebb and flow of life and giving ourselves permission to restBuilding enough self-trust to know that a low moment doesn't mean we're stuck there forever Reflection Questions Where are you already being the person you've spent so much time trying to become?What glimmers have you been overlooking in your everyday life?Who has been reflect...

064: Breaking the Silence: Sexual Wellness, Intimacy, Pleasure & Consent with Janelle Kloske

58 min

Content Disclaimer: This episode includes open conversations about sexual health, intimacy, pleasure, anatomy, and personal experiences with sexual assault. We recognize that some topics may feel sensitive, and encourage you to honor your needs as you listen. What if so much of what we've been taught about our bodies, intimacy, and sexuality has actually kept us disconnected from ourselves? In this episode, we're joined by Janelle Kloske, founder of Brave Body Wellness, an occupational therapist and sexual wellness professional who is helping people have conversations that too many of us were never taught how to have. And boy, does her company name capture exactly what she makes possible: Brave Body Conversations, just like this one! We explore the shame, silence, and societal conditioning that have shaped how we understand our bodies and relationships. From growing up without the language to talk about pleasure to navigating intimacy through marriage, parenthood, illness, and changing seasons of life, we unpack why sexual wellness is such an important and often overlooked part of being human. We talk about the freedom that comes from understanding our own bodies, communicating what we need, and recognizing that intimacy evolves as we do. It’s something we get to keep exploring with curiosity, creativity, and connection throughout our lives. The conversation becomes deeply personal as we explore bodily autonomy, consent, and the experiences that can make it difficult to recognize our boundaries or voice them in the moment. Because rehumanizing means recognizing that our bodies belong to us. That pleasure, safety, and connection are part of the human experience. And that every one of us deserves the knowledge, language, and freedom to make choices about our own bodies. What We ExploreWhy sexual wellness is an essential part of human health and deserves a place in everyday conversationsJanelle's journey from occupational therapy into pelvic health and sexual wellnes...

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066: Clearing Space for Greater Possibility

33 min

What if the things taking up the most space in our lives aren't the things we can see, but the beliefs, expectations, and patterns we've been carrying without even realizing it? In this episode, Meg and Jill explore what it really means to clear space. Not just in our homes or schedules, but within our minds, bodies, relationships, and the energy we allow into our lives. They talk about how every input has a downstream effect, how easily we can fill our lives with things that don't actually align with what matters most, and why sometimes the best place to start is by clearing everything away and intentionally deciding what deserves to come back. Jill shares a deeply personal realization about how a lifelong limiting belief shaped the way she experienced herself and the world, while Meg offers practical ways to take inventory of what gives us energy, what drains us, and what we're holding onto simply because we've always made room for it. But the conversation goes deeper than decluttering or setting boundaries. Because clearing space isn't just about removing what no longer serves us. It's about creating the capacity to recognize what does. And perhaps the most powerful realization is that we don't have to fill every space we create. Sometimes the space itself is exactly what we've been needing. What We Explore Clearing space beyond the physical, including mental, emotional, and energetic clutterRecognizing how every input has a downstream effect on our thoughts, energy, and daily experiencesStarting with what matters most and building our lives around our actual valuesThe power of clearing everything away before deciding what deserves to come backHow limiting beliefs and old narratives quietly take up more space than we realizeBeing honest with ourselves about what we truly want versus what others expect of usTaking an energy inventory to recognize what replenishes us and what leaves us depletedCreating space for greater presence, connection, flexibility, and unexpe...

065: Becoming Her, Being Her, and Trusting the In-Between

22 min

What if becoming who we are meant to be isn't about constantly reaching for a better version of ourselves, but finally recognizing the person we've been becoming all along? In this episode, Meg and Jill reflect on their own journeys of becoming, the moments that have shaped them, and what it feels like to finally start being her instead of always trying to get there. They explore the power of glimmers, those little moments of joy, recognition, and clarity that remind us who we are and how far we've come. Sometimes we recognize them ourselves. Other times, the people who love us have been reflecting those pieces back to us for years, patiently waiting for us to see them too. They also share a heartfelt voice memo from someone in their community, reminding them of the ripple effect that happens when we show up authentically and invite others to do the same. And they talk about something that can be incredibly difficult when we're used to pushing ourselves forward: learning to trust the natural rhythms of life. Because being her doesn't mean always feeling confident, inspired, productive, or happy. It means learning to trust ourselves through the highs, the lows, and everything in between. What We Explore Becoming her versus being herRecognizing how much we've grown by looking back at where we startedThe ripple effect of authentic conversations and the power of communityLearning to recognize glimmers, not just triggersHow the people who love us can see and reflect our true selves before we doLetting go of comparison and appreciating the different ways people show up for usFinding safety in honoring our own needs and boundariesThe natural ebb and flow of life and giving ourselves permission to restBuilding enough self-trust to know that a low moment doesn't mean we're stuck there forever Reflection Questions Where are you already being the person you've spent so much time trying to become?What glimmers have you been overlooking in your everyday life?Who has been reflect...

064: Breaking the Silence: Sexual Wellness, Intimacy, Pleasure & Consent with Janelle Kloske

58 min

Content Disclaimer: This episode includes open conversations about sexual health, intimacy, pleasure, anatomy, and personal experiences with sexual assault. We recognize that some topics may feel sensitive, and encourage you to honor your needs as you listen. What if so much of what we've been taught about our bodies, intimacy, and sexuality has actually kept us disconnected from ourselves? In this episode, we're joined by Janelle Kloske, founder of Brave Body Wellness, an occupational therapist and sexual wellness professional who is helping people have conversations that too many of us were never taught how to have. And boy, does her company name capture exactly what she makes possible: Brave Body Conversations, just like this one! We explore the shame, silence, and societal conditioning that have shaped how we understand our bodies and relationships. From growing up without the language to talk about pleasure to navigating intimacy through marriage, parenthood, illness, and changing seasons of life, we unpack why sexual wellness is such an important and often overlooked part of being human. We talk about the freedom that comes from understanding our own bodies, communicating what we need, and recognizing that intimacy evolves as we do. It’s something we get to keep exploring with curiosity, creativity, and connection throughout our lives. The conversation becomes deeply personal as we explore bodily autonomy, consent, and the experiences that can make it difficult to recognize our boundaries or voice them in the moment. Because rehumanizing means recognizing that our bodies belong to us. That pleasure, safety, and connection are part of the human experience. And that every one of us deserves the knowledge, language, and freedom to make choices about our own bodies. What We ExploreWhy sexual wellness is an essential part of human health and deserves a place in everyday conversationsJanelle's journey from occupational therapy into pelvic health and sexual wellnes...

063: The Magic of Being Unapologetically You

29 min

What happens when we create a space where people can stop performing, let their guards down, and simply be themselves? In this episode, we reflect on our very first Rooted & Rehumanizing retreat, Fall Into Rest & Rejuvenation, and the beautiful experience of bringing together women who were ready to reconnect with themselves and one another. We talk about what happens when we intentionally create space for genuine human connection. Not another checklist of things to accomplish. Not another experience focused on fixing ourselves. But an opportunity to slow down, release expectations, and remember what it feels like to simply be. We explore the vulnerability of being fully seen, the unexpected challenge of allowing ourselves to receive, and the incredible power of surrounding ourselves with people who recognize strengths and gifts we sometimes struggle to see in ourselves. We also reflect on the beauty of watching something we dreamed about come to life, the importance of trusting ourselves and each other, and how meaningful connection can continue shaping us long after an experience ends. Because sometimes the most transformative thing we can do isn't to become someone new. It's to create enough space to remember who we already are. What We ExplorePresence over performance and the freedom of showing up without masks or expectationsWhat it means to create an experience centered on connection rather than a checklist of activitiesWhy the energy and intention behind an experience matter just as much as the planningThe unexpected vulnerability of receiving love, support, and recognition instead of always being the one givingHow allowing ourselves to receive can make us stronger leaders and more connected humansThe power of seeing and being seen for who we really areHow the strengths and gifts we recognize in others can become reflections of what exists within ourselvesFinding the language to understand and express experiences that previous generations may not have had the...

062: True Leadership Requires You to Go First.

15 min

What if going first as a leader does not always mean doing more, carrying more, or giving more? Sometimes it means receiving first. In this episode, Meg and Jillian talk about preparing for their first Rooted & Rehumanizing Retreat and realizing that creating an experience of rest, presence, and receiving for other women requires them to step into those things themselves. For Jillian, that brings up a deeper question: why is receiving so difficult in the first place? They explore worthiness, the belief that receiving must somehow be earned through giving, and the responsibility leaders have to model the experience they are inviting others into. The conversation expands beyond the retreat into leadership, parenting, coaching, business, and the environments people create around them. Because going first is not simply about taking the first action. It is about becoming clear on where people are going, creating the conditions that allow them to get there without depletion, and being willing to embody those conditions too. Sometimes leadership looks like courage. Sometimes it looks like slowing down. And sometimes it looks like believing that you are worthy enough to receive what you are so willing to give to everyone else. What We ExplorePreparing for the first Rooted & Rehumanizing RetreatThe realization that facilitators have to receive the experience tooWhy people often take their cues from the person holding the spaceWhat it means to lead by going firstJillian's realization that receiving may be one of her own growth edgesAsking, "Am I worthy of receiving?"The belief that people have to give everything before they are allowed to receive anything backGiving themselves permission to receive without earning it firstWhy leaders can only invite others into experiences they are willing to enter themselvesBecoming aware of limiting language without judging every imperfect wordThe difference between going first and simply charging aheadWhy humane leadership requires clarity...

061: Give Yourself Permission to Let Enough Be Enough

19 min

What if the next thing you need is not another goal, another breakthrough, or another thing to accomplish, but permission to recognize what is already here? In this episode, Meg and Jillian explore what happens when people become so focused on where they are going that they stop experiencing the life they are already living. Jillian shares what she has been noticing in the middle of an intense creative season: continually reaching for the next discovery while barely pausing long enough to celebrate, ground into, or take action on what she has already built. Meg brings in the idea of giving themselves a big, fat permission slip to let enough actually be enough. They talk about why slowing down does not mean settling, how anchoring in the present can actually help create forward movement, and why sometimes the next step is not creating something new. Sometimes it is trusting what is already here, acting on it, and allowing themselves to fully experience it. Because they can keep climbing toward the lives they want. But at some point, they also have to come back down and live them. What We Explore Giving yourself permission to let enough be enoughWhy high achievement can make it difficult to recognize how much you have already doneThe importance of celebrating before immediately moving on to the next thingAsking, "When is it ever enough?"How constantly reaching for what is next can pull us away from the reason we startedJillian's realization that she was extracting the things that made the process worth it from the process itselfBeing present for your family, your life, and the moments you are working so hard to createWhy slowing down can actually help us move forwardThe difference between enough and settlingLetting what is already available become actionable before adding something newAnchoring big ideas into the actions available right nowBuilding the evidence that allows us to safely take the next stepFinding the people whose pieces fit alongside oursLearning to tru...

060: The Power of Silence and Solitude with Lori Melton

1 hr 3 min

What if the clarity you're searching for doesn't require more information, more advice, or more effort, but simply more space to listen? In this episode, Jillian and Meg sit down with author and spiritual director Lori Melton for a conversation about silence, solitude, soul care, and learning to trust the stirrings already happening within us. Lori shares why creating intentional space away from the constant noise of everyday life can help us reconnect with ourselves, with God, and with what we actually need. Together, they explore the power of listening without fixing, caring for ourselves without guilt, and recognizing that sometimes the most loving thing we can offer ourselves and others is simply space. The conversation also turns to Lori's book, Journey With a Giant, and the practice of choosing someone whose life, faith, or work can accompany us through a season of our own growth. Lori shares how studying the lives of Evelyn Underhill, Francis of Assisi, and Fred Rogers helped her better understand her own calling, including the realization that her purpose didn't need to fit neatly into a single role. Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to quiet some of the noise around us long enough to hear what is already stirring within. What we explore in this episode:Why silence and solitude are forms of soul careCreating space in a world with constant access to usWhy rest and retreat don't have to be once-a-year experiencesCaring for yourself without believing you're selfishWhat we model when we continually put ourselves lastThe difference between isolation and intentional solitudeWhy silence can deepen connection with other peopleThe intimacy of simply being present togetherListening as one of the greatest gifts we can give someoneWhy people don't always need more advice or informationCreating space for people to discover their own answersTrusting what is already stirring within youFollowing nudges without knowing the entire path aheadWhy purpose doesn't have to...

059: Accessing Your Authentic Self, No BS!

18 min

What does it actually mean to be your authentic self? Not the polished version. Not the performative version. Not the version of you that has learned how to fit into what everyone else expects. In this episode, we strip authenticity down to what it really requires: knowing yourself, questioning yourself, getting radically honest about what is actually yours, and learning to accept the imperfect human you find underneath all of the conditioning. We talk about the difference between asking, “What should I be doing?” and “What do I actually want?” and how much of our lives can quietly be shaped by expectations we never consciously chose. Authenticity is not something we finally achieve. It is a living practice of returning to ourselves again and again. What We ExploreWhat authenticity actually means beyond the polished, social-media versionWhy truly knowing yourself is an ongoing processBecoming a student of yourselfAsking yourself “why” over and over againCreating enough internal safety to discover parts of yourself you may not loveAccepting the raw, unfinished, inconsistent, imperfect parts of being humanThe difference between authenticity and performanceHow masking can make it difficult to know who you actually areWhat happens when you begin showing up differently after people have known an older version of youDiscovering your own thoughts, opinions, feelings, preferences, and styleMoving from “What should I do?” to “What do I want?”Recognizing expectations you have been carrying that were never actually yoursHow subconscious ideas of being a “good” mother, partner, employee, or person can quietly shape our decisionsGiving yourself permission to choose differentlyAsking where you feel most like yourself, most at ease, and most safeSaying no as an act of alignmentRadical honesty as a catalyst for finding your way back to yourselfAccepting that authenticity is not about becoming perfect Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.link...

058: Your Emotions Are Signals, Not Leaders

29 min

What if our emotions were never meant to make our decisions for us, but they were always meant to have a voice? In this episode, we explore emotional regulation from a very human starting point. Not controlling our emotions. Not suppressing them. Not rushing past them. But learning to recognize them as signals that can tell us something about what is happening within us. We talk about the power of creating space between an emotion and our response, getting curious about what the emotion may be pointing toward, and allowing ourselves to actually feel what is present before deciding what comes next. Because healing is not becoming a person who never feels angry, hurt, overwhelmed, defensive, or messy. It is learning how to hold those emotions with compassion while becoming more intentional about what we do with them. What We ExploreEmotions as signals, not leadersCreating space between emotion and actionWhy the pause can be such a powerful first stepIdentifying emotions without immediately judging or trying to fix themThe difference between regulation and emotional bypassingHow shame can make emotional regulation harderLooking at old reactions with compassion instead of asking, "Why am I still doing this?"How childhood experiences, conditioning, masking, family systems, and societal expectations can shape our emotional patternsWhy sometimes the only way out really is throughSimple ways to help emotion move through the body, including crying, walking, shaking, movement, journaling, and talking with someone safeHow two people can have completely different automatic responses to emotion, including shutting down versus lashing outWhat repair can look like when we do react in a way we are not proud ofGiving our children something many of us did not always receive: space for their emotions and adults willing to acknowledge when they got it wrongLetting go of the expectation that we will ever become perfectly healed humans Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.c...

057: What if it’s all connected?

22 min

What happens when you stop measuring your life by someone else’s definition of success? In this episode, Jillian and Meg reflect on more than a year of Rooted & Rehumanizing and realize just how much their own journeys, and the vision behind the podcast, have evolved along the way. What begins as a conversation about where the podcast is headed expands into something much bigger: creating better systems, building wealth with intention, pursuing meaningful work, and questioning the measuring sticks we’ve been using to decide whether we’re doing life “right.” Together, they explore why so many of us compare ourselves to people whose lives, values, or definitions of success we don’t actually want. They talk about becoming rooted enough in who you are that outside opinions stop determining your direction, and how knowing your values gives you something to filter decisions through. Because when you know who you are and what matters to you, you don’t have to keep looking outside yourself to figure out where to go next. What we explore in this episode:Reflecting on more than a year of Rooted & RehumanizingTaking messy action before you know exactly where it will leadCreating better systems instead of only trying to fix broken onesThe connection between money, power, responsibility, and positive impactChallenging the belief that wealth and goodness cannot coexistBuilding wealth intentionally and using resources for greater impactWhy heart-centered people can struggle with making moneyCreating businesses that reflect your valuesAsking whose definition of success you’re measuring yourself againstWhy we compare ourselves to people we don’t actually want to emulateBecoming rooted in your own beliefs and valuesFiltering outside opinions through your own internal compassLetting your work become an extension of who you areSharing your journey so others can learn from itCreating ripple effects of positive change Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: http...

056: From People Pleasing to Purpose with Bridgette Finkler

46 min

What happens when you stop trying to be everything for everyone else and finally become who you were created to be? In this heartfelt conversation, Meg sits down with friend, former coaching client, and newly certified life coach Bridgette Finkler to talk about the transformational journey from people pleasing, self-doubt, and burnout to purpose, authenticity, and deep fulfillment. As a wife, mother of four, physical therapist assistant, and now life coach, Bridgette shares how doing her own inner work completely changed the way she shows up in every area of her life. Together, Meg and Bridgette explore what coaching really is, why listening is one of the greatest gifts we can offer another person, and how healing ourselves creates a ripple effect throughout our families and communities. Whether you're feeling stuck, overwhelmed, or wondering if you're meant for something more, this episode is a beautiful reminder that you are not broken, you are not alone, and your purpose may be closer than you think. In this episode we discuss: Bridgette's journey through a difficult season into purpose and fulfillmentReleasing people pleasing and becoming your authentic selfWhy coaching isn't about giving advice but helping people access their own inner wisdomThe importance of observing rather than absorbing as an empathetic personCreating safety for others through authenticity and vulnerabilityHow changing your environment changes your lifeThe ripple effect that personal growth has on your marriage and familyEncouragement, empowerment, and the power of deep listening A few golden nuggets from this episode: You are not alone.You are enough.You are not broken and don't need fixing.There is so much within your power to reclaim.Your purpose is where you'll often find your deepest fulfillment. Connect with Jillian: Website: https://trellissuite.com/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com See what Jillian is building!! www.linkedi...

055: Stop Falling Off The Wagon… Go Be HER

17 min

What if “falling off the wagon” isn’t actually failure? In this episode, Jillian and Meg challenge the idea that there is one right way to stay on track. Whether it’s exercise, eating, work, finances, or the routines we create for ourselves, we often build an expectation of what “good” looks like and then judge ourselves when real life doesn’t fit perfectly inside of it. Together, they unpack where those expectations come from and what changes when we replace guilt and shame with curiosity. Instead of asking what went wrong, what if we asked what we actually need right now? They explore the difference between living from external expectations and internal intentionality, why rest and flexibility aren’t the same as backsliding, and how self-trust allows us to create rhythms that change with the seasons of our lives. Because maybe we don’t need to keep getting back on the wagon. Maybe we need to burn the wagon altogether. What we explore in this episode:What “falling off the wagon” actually representsHow perfection sets us up to feel like we’ve failedWhere our definitions of “good” come fromReplacing guilt and shame with curiosityExternal expectations versus internal intentionalityCreating flexible routines instead of rigid rulesWhy rest isn’t the same as backslidingThe connection between productivity and self-worthLearning to trust what you need in the momentBecoming intentional about who you want to beCreating safety and trust within yourselfHonoring different seasons, rhythms, and needsWhy starting again isn’t failureRecalibrating instead of judging yourselfLetting go of the pressure to stay perfectly “on track” Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com See what Jillian is building!! www.linkedin.com/company/trellissuite Connect with Meg Website: www.profoundwellness.net Email: meg@profoundwellness.net Facebook: facebook.com/megan.fikse Instagram: instagram.c...

054: Doing Things You've Never Done Before

17 min

What does it take to keep showing up when no one is clapping yet? Whether you're building a business, pursuing a dream, changing careers, or simply becoming more of who you truly are, there is often a season where you have to believe in yourself before anyone else does. In this episode, Jillian and Meg explore what it means to trust your inner knowing instead of waiting for external validation. They discuss the courage it takes to do things you've never done before, how radical self-honesty creates lasting confidence, and why authenticity is one of the greatest gifts you can offer both yourself and the world. Together, they share the practical mindset shifts that have helped them navigate uncertainty, from following the next right step and pausing for clarity to building a life that's aligned with their values instead of other people's expectations. Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to stop waiting for permission. The life you're meant to create begins the moment you decide to trust yourself enough to take the next step. What we explore in this episode:Why self-validation matters more than external validationLearning to trust yourself before others doBecoming comfortable with being uncomfortableThe courage to put yourself out into the worldRadical self-honesty as a catalyst for growthAuthenticity over approvalInternal versus external locus of controlFollowing the next right step instead of needing the whole planUsing joy as a guide for decision-makingWhy pausing creates clarityMaking decisions you can confidently stand behindThe value of mentors, coaches, and supportive peopleAligning your choices with your purpose and valuesWhy confidence is built through action, not certainty Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com See what Jillian is building!! www.linkedin.com/company/trellissuite Connect with Meg Website: www.profoundwellness.net Email: meg@prof...

053: What if Rest IS Productive?

23 min

What if the breakthrough you're searching for isn't found by doing more, but by allowing yourself to do less? In this conversation, Jillian and Meg explore why rest is often one of the most productive things we can do. After Meg returns from an 11-day vacation where she completely unplugged from work, they unpack what it felt like to disconnect, the discomfort of slowing down, and the surprising realization that nothing fell apart while she was away. Together, they discuss how our best ideas often emerge when we stop forcing them, why constantly operating in "go mode" limits our perspective, and how slowing down creates space for clarity, creativity, and better decisions. Jillian also shares a major breakthrough in her Trellis journey, explaining how stepping back from the pressure to simply commercialize the business allowed her to see a much bigger vision. One that bridges business operations, computational science, and academic research. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that productivity isn't measured by constant motion. Sometimes the greatest progress happens when we create space to think, breathe, and trust that clarity will come. What we explore in this episode:Why rest is productiveLearning to unplug without guiltTrusting that everything doesn't depend on youHow slowing down leads to better problem-solvingThe connection between rest and creativityWhy clarity often comes after we stop forcing answersViewing challenges through a calmer lensTaking small pauses to gain a bigger perspectiveJillian's breakthrough around the future of TrellisBridging business operations, computational science, and researchWhy clean operational data matters before AIBuilding a strong foundation before scalingHonoring practices that keep you groundedBeing honest with yourself about what you truly needCreating sustainable success instead of constant hustle Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email:...

052: One Year Later - What Showing Up Changed!

23 min

What if the next step forward actually starts with recognizing how far you've already come? In this one-year anniversary episode of Rooted & Rehumanizing, Jillian and Meg reflect on the journey from recording their first episode in a studio with pages of notes and uncertainty to showing up each week with unscripted, honest conversations. Together, they explore why celebration is not just something we do after success, but an essential part of creating sustainable growth. Meg shares why we cannot keep building on top of uncelebrated success and how bringing celebration into the body through our senses helps us fully experience the moments we often rush past. Looking back over 52 episodes, Jillian and Meg unpack the biggest lessons this podcast has taught them, including trusting a vision before it exists, taking small steps toward something bigger, asking for help, leaning on others, and allowing something meaningful to grow over time. The conversation becomes a reflection on more than a podcast. It is about creating safe spaces, sharing our stories, allowing ourselves to be seen, and realizing that our experiences can help others feel less alone. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder to pause, look around, and celebrate the person you had to become to get where you are today. What we explore in this episode:Celebrating one year of Rooted & RehumanizingWhy we struggle to pause and acknowledge progressThe importance of celebrating small milestonesHow celebration creates sustainable growthBringing celebration into the body through all five sensesLooking back at who you were one year agoTurning a vision into reality one small step at a timeWhy big dreams happen through small actionsLearning to ask for help and lean on othersBuilding something meaningful with other peopleTrusting others and letting go of doing everything yourselfCreating spaces where people feel safe and seenWhy sharing your story helps others understand their ownThe power of realizing you are not alone...

051: You Don’t Have to Earn Your Worth with Alice Heiman

57 min

What if success was never about doing it all, but about building a life where you don't have to? In this conversation, Jillian and Meg are joined by Alice Heiman, a sales expert, entrepreneur, mentor, and host of Sales Talk for CEOs, for a powerful discussion about entrepreneurship, women in business, money, guilt, support, and redefining what success actually means. Alice shares her experience working with founders and CEOs, including the unique challenges women face while building companies, leading teams, raising families, managing households, and carrying responsibilities that often go unseen. Together, they explore the beliefs that keep women from asking for help, charging what they're worth, pursuing financial success, and accepting support. From hiring help at home to overcoming the discomfort around sales, Alice challenges the idea that success requires sacrifice and reminds us that receiving support allows us to create a bigger impact. The conversation also dives into redefining wealth beyond money. Wealth as freedom. Wealth as choice. Wealth as presence, connection, health, experiences, and having the capacity to become the person you want to be. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that you don't have to prove your worth by carrying everything alone. Sometimes the most powerful thing you can do is ask for what you need and allow yourself to receive it. What we explore in this episode:Why women often carry an invisible mental loadThe unique challenges female entrepreneurs faceLetting go of guilt around success, money, and supportWhy making money allows you to create more impactReframing sales as helping and servingOvercoming the belief that success changes who you areWhy asking for help is a strengthLetting go of perfection and controlAccepting support without guiltRedefining what wealth means to youBuilding a business around freedom and alignmentUnderstanding money as a tool, not an identityLearning to receive as much as you giveAsking "Who am I being?"...

050: Your Triggers Are Trying to Tell You Something

29 min

What if the things that trigger us are not the problem, but an invitation to look deeper? In this conversation, Jillian and Meg explore what our reactions, frustrations, and defensive moments can reveal about the parts of ourselves that are still asking for attention. After Meg shares a frustrating moment with technology, they unpack how something as simple as a forgotten password can expose much deeper patterns around urgency, productivity, slowing down, and feeling safe. Together, they explore the idea that triggers are not always about what is happening around us. They are often signals pointing toward old beliefs, unhealed stories, and the places where we are still learning to trust ourselves. The conversation moves through productivity, rest, self-worth, contribution, relationships, money, parenting, and identity. They discuss the difference between worthiness and fulfillment, why slowing down can feel uncomfortable, and how judgment toward others can reveal hidden fears within ourselves. Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to stop seeing triggers as something to avoid and start seeing them as information. Because the moments that challenge us often reveal exactly where we have the opportunity to grow. What we explore in this episode:What our triggers reveal about usWhy small frustrations can expose deeper patternsThe connection between urgency, productivity, and self-worthLearning to slow down without losing momentumWhy systems and routines help build self-trustThe difference between worthiness and fulfillmentHow contribution creates connection and purposeRecognizing when old patterns resurfaceUsing defensiveness as a signal for deeper reflectionWhy self-judgment often creates external judgmentHow beliefs about money, success, and identity shape our actionsLearning to trust your future selfCreating systems that support who you want to becomeViewing triggers as lessons instead of obstacles Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn:...

049: Standing In Our Own Way

27 min

What if the biggest thing standing between you and the life you want isn't your circumstances, but the stories you keep telling yourself? After skipping her 20-year high school reunion, Jillian reflects on the unexpected regret that followed and the realization that fear, not reality, made the decision for her. What began as a conversation about one missed event quickly became a much deeper exploration of the invisible ways we all hold ourselves back. Together, Jillian and Meg unpack the beliefs, fears, and protective patterns that keep us from saying yes to opportunities, putting ourselves out there, and stepping into the next version of ourselves. They discuss the difference between fear-based and values-based decisions, building tolerance for discomfort, and why growth often begins by taking one small step before we feel ready. The conversation also explores entrepreneurship, identity, exposure therapy, coaching, and why so many of us become overwhelmed by focusing on the entire journey instead of the very next step. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that courage isn't the absence of fear. It's choosing not to let fear make the decision for you. What we explore in this episode:Why we hold ourselves back from the things we want mostFear-based decisions versus values-based decisionsThe hidden beliefs that keep us playing smallRegret as a powerful teacherBuilding tolerance for discomfort and uncertaintyExposure therapy and practicing courageEntrepreneurship as a catalyst for personal growthThe connection between identity and being seenWhy thinking too far ahead creates overwhelmBreaking big dreams into manageable next stepsCoaching as a tool for creating clarityCuriosity as the antidote to feeling stuckBecoming the person you're working towardChoosing courage over comfort Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com See what Jillian is building!! www.linkedi...

048: You Find What You're Looking For

25 min

What if the way you experience your life isn't determined by your circumstances, but by what you're paying attention to? In this conversation, Jillian and Meg explore the Reticular Activating System (RAS), the brain's natural filtering system that determines what reaches our conscious awareness. While we can't control everything that happens to us, we can influence what our minds learn to notice. Together, they unpack how our beliefs shape the way we experience the world. If we're constantly looking for evidence that we're not enough, we'll find it. If we're looking for opportunities, connection, gratitude, and abundance, we'll begin noticing those too. Not because they suddenly appeared, but because they were there all along. Through stories about parenting, business, personal growth, and navigating life's challenges, Jillian and Meg discuss the power of shifting from unconscious defaults to intentional awareness. They also explore acceptance, trust, and the difference between pain and suffering, reminding us that while hardship is inevitable, how we experience it is often within our influence. Ultimately, this episode is an invitation to become intentional with the lens through which you experience your life because you truly do find what you're looking for. What we explore in this episode:What the Reticular Activating System (RAS) isHow your brain filters what you noticeWhy you find what you're looking forTraining your mind to notice abundance instead of scarcityHow beliefs shape identity and emotional experienceRadical self-responsibility and reclaiming your powerParenting through curiosity instead of frustrationRecognizing opportunities that were already thereThe difference between pain and sufferingAcceptance as the path to empowermentTrusting the process during difficult seasonsSeeing challenges as something happening for you instead of to youLiving from your future self instead of your current defaultsBecoming intentional with the way you experience everyday...

047: Finding Your Voice and Telling Your Story with Rachel Plonka

56 min

What happens when the thing you're most afraid to share is the very thing someone else needs to hear? In this powerful conversation, Jillian and Meg welcome nurse coach, writer, feminine biohacker, and storyteller Rachel Plonka to the podcast. Together, they explore the connection between healing, self-expression, nervous system regulation, and the courage it takes to be truly seen. Rachel shares her journey of helping people heal through writing and storytelling, and how that work ultimately led her to create The BioHacker's Blueprint, a program focused on nervous system regulation and how to access what she calls our "inner pharmacy." Through science, spirituality, and personal experience, she explains why so many people feel called to share their voice, tell their story, or step into something bigger, yet find themselves held back by fear, perfectionism, and nervous system resistance. The conversation weaves through meditation, HeartMath, emotional healing, parenting, leadership, self-expression, and the responsibility that can come with stepping into authorship, authority, and purpose. What begins as an interview evolves into a deeply personal conversation about healing old relationships with authority, trusting the process, and recognizing that growth is often less about arriving and more about continuing to show up. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that your voice matters, your story matters, and the world may need exactly what only you can offer. What we explore in this episode:Finding and trusting your authentic voiceWhy nervous system regulation impacts self-expressionThe connection between healing and visibilityHeartMath and the science of coherenceWhy resistance often appears when we need healing mostLearning to orient toward positive emotionsThe difference between perfection and practiceUnderstanding emotional highs and lows as part of growthHow healing happens through repetition and consistencyThe concept of compound growth in personal developmen...

046: How Noticing More Changes Everything

22 min

What if the life you're chasing isn't somewhere in the future? What if parts of it already exist right in front of you? In this heartfelt conversation, Jillian and Meg explore the power of noticing the everyday blessings, opportunities, and experiences that often get overlooked while we're focused on what's next. Jillian reflects on the dramatic shift her family has experienced while building Trellis and navigating a season of financial uncertainty. What initially felt like loss has become an unexpected invitation to appreciate things she once took for granted. A full tank of gas. A stocked refrigerator. Time with family. The simple gift of enough. Meg shares stories from her own life that illustrate how easy it is to postpone joy until the next milestone, the next purchase, the next achievement, or the next version of life. Together, they challenge the assumption that fulfillment always exists somewhere ahead of us. The conversation explores gratitude, abundance, financial stress, nervous system safety, perspective, and the practice of noticing what Meg calls "micro-miracles" throughout everyday life. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that while growth and ambition have their place, a meaningful life is often built by appreciating what already exists rather than constantly chasing what comes next. What we explore in this episode:The difference between appreciation and achievementWhy we often postpone joy until the next milestoneFinding abundance during challenging seasonsThe concept of "micro-miracles"How perspective changes everyday experiencesGratitude as a practice rather than a feelingThe relationship between financial stress and safetyAppreciating what you already haveWhy the brain naturally focuses on what's missingRewiring default patterns toward gratitudeFinding fulfillment in ordinary momentsThe difference between "I have to" and "I get to"Building a gratitude practice that feels accessibleCreating internal safety regardless of external circumstancesR...

045: The Lens We View Life Through

30 min

What if two people can experience the exact same moment and walk away with completely different realities? In this thoughtful conversation, Jillian and Meg explore the invisible lens through which we experience our lives. The stories, assumptions, conditioning, and patterns that quietly shape how we interpret the world around us. Drawing from Jillian’s doctoral studies and their own personal experiences, they unpack the idea that reality is not simply what happens to us. It is also how we perceive, interpret, and respond to what happens. Together, they explore the difference between intentional living and living from default patterns. They discuss how our brains are constantly scanning for meaning, creating stories, and reinforcing beliefs, often without our awareness. The conversation moves through mindset, personal responsibility, presence, nervous system conditioning, and the power of slowing down long enough to question the stories we automatically tell ourselves. Rather than advocating for toxic positivity, they invite listeners to become more conscious of the lens they are choosing and how small shifts in perspective can completely transform daily life. Ultimately, this episode is a reminder that while we cannot control everything that happens around us, we do have influence over the lens through which we experience it. What we explore in this episode:The concept of the lens we view life throughHow interpretation shapes our experience of realityThe difference between default thinking and intentional thinkingWhy two people can experience the same situation differentlyChallenging assumptions, conditioning, and automatic storiesThe difference between perspective shifts and toxic positivityTaking ownership of your internal experienceGiving people the benefit of the doubtVictimhood versus personal agencyHow slowing down changes perceptionThe connection between presence and perspectiveUsing the five senses to become more presentSmall mindset shifts that create major...

044: The Hidden Cost of Making Yourself Smaller

22 min

What happens when you spend your whole life trying not to be “too much”? In this deeply personal conversation, Meg and Jill explore what it means to truly take up space. Not just through speaking louder or finding your voice, but through allowing yourself to exist fully without constantly shrinking, shape-shifting, apologizing, or compromising your needs to make other people comfortable. Jillian opens up about realizing how often she erased herself in everyday moments. Always being agreeable. Never expressing preferences. Constantly minimizing her wants and needs in order to feel accepted, safe, or easy to be around. Together, they unpack the deeper emotional roots behind people pleasing, masking, emotional self-protection, and the fear of not belonging. Meg shares how she learned to stop adjusting herself to fit every room, while Jillian reflects on how childhood experiences slowly taught her to disconnect from her own personality and instincts in order to feel accepted by others. The conversation moves through parenting, belonging, emotional safety, masking, sensitivity, and the exhausting experience of trying to make yourself digestible for everyone around you. Ultimately, this episode becomes a reminder that true belonging is not built through fitting in. It’s built through being fully yourself and allowing the right people to meet you there. What we explore in this episode:What “taking up space” actually means emotionallyThe subtle ways people erase themselves dailyConstant compromising and over-accommodating othersThe emotional roots of people pleasing and maskingFeeling “too much” versus feeling fully yourselfEmotional sensitivity and fear of not being receivedHow childhood experiences shape self-protection patternsThe difference between fitting in and belongingLearning to stop shape-shifting for acceptanceParenting while honoring your own needs and capacityOvercommitting and saying yes to everythingReclaiming personal preferences, desires, and boundariesFeel...

043: Radical Self-Responsibility

24 min

What changes when you stop waiting for your future life to save you? In this honest and layered conversation, Meg and Jill explore the idea of radical self-responsibility. Not as self-blame or perfectionism, but as taking ownership of the life, patterns, choices, and energy that shape your everyday experience. Jillian shares a surprisingly emotional realization that started with something simple: deep cleaning her house. After years of telling herself that someday, when she was more successful, someone else would handle it, she realized how disconnected she had become from her own agency and ability to change her current reality now. From there, the conversation expands into nervous system patterns, self-talk, burnout, autonomy, over-responsibility, and the subtle ways people give away ownership of their own lives. Meg brings in a powerful reframe around bullying ourselves into change versus creating safety around growth. Together, they unpack how awareness, permission, boundaries, and personal agency all play a role in creating a life that actually feels aligned. This episode is both practical and deeply reflective. A conversation about reclaiming authorship over your life one small decision at a time. What we explore in this episode:What radical self-responsibility actually meansThe difference between self-responsibility and self-blameHow overwhelm and avoidance can disconnect us from actionBullying yourself versus creating nervous system safetyNegative self-talk and the impact it has emotionallyParenting conversations around self-worth and inner dialogueThe subtle ways people outsource their own powerOver-responsibility and carrying things that are not yoursBoundaries, autonomy, and letting others fulfill their own roleRewriting relationship patterns through trust and spaceDesigning your life intentionally instead of waiting for “someday”Recognizing the autonomy and agency you already haveCounter-cultural choices around rest, breaks, and personal wellbeingHow sma...

042: Stepping Outside of the Box You Were Given with Amanda Haveman

48 min

Meg opens this conversation by introducing Amanda Haveman, a business owner, mother of seven, and someone who embodies what it looks like to live fully outside of traditional roles. From the beginning, Amanda shares how her life is a blend of motherhood, business ownership, and personal growth. What stands out immediately is her perspective that work life and home life are not separate. They are deeply connected. Meg and Jillian explore Amanda’s experience working in a male-dominated industry and what it has required of her to find her voice, define her role, and step fully into her strengths. Amanda reflects on how learning to stay in her zone of genius, while trusting others to do the same, has transformed both her confidence and the way her team operates. The conversation expands into the realities of delegation, not just in business but at home. Amanda shares honestly about the internal struggle of letting go of control, especially as a mother, and how that shift has been necessary for her to show up fully in both spaces. As the episode deepens, Amanda opens up about her childhood and how growing up in a chaotic and unhealed environment shaped her drive to create something different for her own children. The discussion moves into generational healing, forgiveness, and the boundaries required to protect the life she is building. A powerful shift emerges around self-trust. Amanda shares how learning to trust her previous self and her future self has reduced anxiety and allowed her to move through life with more ease and confidence. Meg and Jillian reflect on how many people unknowingly place themselves into boxes based on expectations, and how stepping outside of those boxes requires both awareness and courage. The episode closes with Amanda sharing her passion for showing women that they are capable of building a life that includes both a thriving family and meaningful work. Her message is clear. There is no single path. You are allowed to create your own. What T...

041: What Do You Do When You Want to Quit?

25 min

What happens when the urge to quit isn’t actually about quitting? In this deeply honest and vulnerable conversation, Meg and Jillian explore the emotional tension between overwhelm, self-protection, burnout, and alignment. From marriage and motherhood to parenting, work, and emotional safety, they unpack what it feels like when your nervous system wants out before your heart actually does. Meg shares how her instinct is often to pull away, sever ties, or “bulldoze” through discomfort in order to protect herself, while Jillian reflects on her tendency to push through and overstay in situations before learning to slow down and trust herself. Together, they explore the importance of creating space before making major decisions. Not reacting from urgency, emotion, or perfectionism, but allowing feelings to rise, fall, and settle before determining what is actually true. The conversation moves through emotional regulation, parenting through big feelings, self-trust, codependency, overcommitment, and the pressure many people feel to “do things the right way.” Rather than offering perfect answers, this episode becomes a reminder that being human is nuanced, messy, emotional, and deeply personal. What we explore in this episode:The emotional urge to quit relationships, jobs, parenting responsibilities, or commitmentsThe difference between reacting from overwhelm versus grounded alignmentFight, flight, bulldozing, and self-protection responsesWhy slowing down can help create clarity in difficult decisionsThe importance of “simmering” before making major choicesHow perfectionism contributes to burnout and emotional collapseThe connection between self-trust and emotional safetyParenting through big feelings while still holding boundariesHow people pleasing can disconnect us from our actual needsLearning to express truth without explosivenessThe pressure of overcommitment and “badge of burnout” cultureUsing nature, movement, journaling, and reflection to process emotionsThe rem...

040: From Knowing to Embodying

22 min

What happens after the breakthrough? In part two of this live coaching series, Jillian explores the space that comes after awareness. The part that is often overlooked. Moving from understanding something intellectually to actually living it. After uncovering the belief patterns holding her back in the previous episode, Jillian notices her tendency to stop at the “aha.” To understand the shift, but not embody it. Meg guides her into the body. Into sensation, presence, and awareness. Using a simple but powerful practice, they explore how tension lives in the body, how safety can be accessed, and how capacity is built not by fixing, but by feeling. This conversation reframes what it means to “do the work.” Not as something rigid or structured, but as something fluid, intuitive, and available in every moment. It’s a shift from performance to presence. From checking the box to actually being in it. What we explore in this episode:The gap between intellectual understanding and embodimentWhy awareness alone doesn’t create changeHow tension and stress show up physically in the bodyA simple somatic practice to build capacity for discomfortThe concept of pendulation and nervous system regulationWhere different parts of identity live in the bodyWhy slowing down feels like a “waste of time” and how to reframe itBreaking the habit of turning healing into a checklistUsing everyday moments as opportunities for presenceThe importance of variety and flexibility in personal practicesSelf-mothering and learning to ask: what do I need right now? We Would Love to Connect With You Your reflections, questions, and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episode resonates, please share it, leave a review, or reach out. Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com See what Jillian is building!! www.linkedin.com/company/trellissuite Connect with Meg Website: www.profoundwellness.n...

039: Control, Identity, and Becoming “Her”

41 min

What if the resistance you feel isn’t about the work… but about who you’re allowing yourself to be while doing it? In this episode, Meg coaches Jillian live in a raw and unfiltered conversation that uncovers the deeper layers behind control, anxiety, and identity. What begins as a discussion about trying to control outcomes quickly reveals something more foundational. A split between two versions of self. Jillian shares the tension between who she is in the world and who she feels she is at home. The bold, visionary leader versus the smaller, more contracted version seeking safety. Together, they unpack where these patterns come from, why they persist, and what it looks like to begin integrating them instead of choosing between them. This conversation moves beyond mindset and into embodiment. It explores what it really means to trust yourself, to feel safe being fully seen, and to step into a more complete version of who you already are. What we explore in this episode:The hidden cost of trying to control outcomes instead of trusting the processWhy resistance often shows up around the very practices that help us mostThe belief that success must come through grit, struggle, and sacrificeThe internal split between “who I am at work” and “who I am at home”How safety, peace, and success can coexist instead of competeThe fear of being fully seen and how it shapes behavior and identityWhy contraction and expansion are both necessary parts of growthThe difference between forcing change and allowing integrationReframing “hurting people” as inviting them into a higher version of themselvesWhat it means to truly embody “I am her” Key TakeawaysYou don’t have to choose between success and peace. They can exist together.The parts of you you’ve separated are meant to be integrated, not managed.Resistance is often a signal pointing directly to the belief that needs to be examined.You are already resourced. The evidence is in the people who fully know and love you.Growth doesn’t re...

038: The Power of Belief. Unleashing Limitless Potential with Marsha Vanwynsberghe & Sue Ruhe

1 hr 1 min

This episode is a little different. This conversation originally took place on Own Your Choices Own Your Life with Marsha Vanwynsberghe and our joint podcast editor, Sue Ruh. It felt too important not to share here, as well. There was something about the depth, the honesty, and the way this conversation unfolded that felt so aligned with what we’re creating inside Rooted & Rehumanizing. It felt real. It felt human. So we’re sharing it with you. No re-recording. No over-editing. Just a conversation that mattered enough to be heard again. We talk about the part of growth that doesn’t get as much attention. The space after awareness. The moment where you see it, understand it, maybe can even explain it… but you’re not fully living it yet. This is where so many people get stuck. We explore the gap between knowing and embodying. What it actually means to move something from your mind into your life. This isn’t about more tools or more information. It’s about presence. Being with what’s actually happening instead of trying to rush past it. There’s a shift in this conversation from doing the work to being in it. From trying to fix, to learning how to feel. And that changes everything. What We Explore in This EpisodeThe moment where you realize knowing isn’t the same as livingWhy awareness doesn’t change anything unless your body is involvedHow patterns keep running even when you “know better”The shift from trying to fix yourself to actually being with yourselfMoving out of performance and into something real, present, and lived Why We Shared This Episode HereThere was something about this conversation that felt different. It wasn’t just insightful. It was real. The kind of conversation where you can feel what’s happening underneath it, not just hear what’s being said. And instead of trying to recreate that, we wanted to bring it here exactly as it happened. We Would Love to Connect With YouYour reflections, questions, and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episo...

037: Community Over Competition

20 min

Jillian opens this conversation with a powerful shift in perspective as she prepares to launch Trellis. Faced with the reality that her patents will not be finalized before launch, she initially felt pressure to protect her ideas. But through reflection, she realized that her deeper mission is not ownership. It is impact. This realization reframes everything. If the goal is to make the world better, then more people carrying similar ideas forward is not a threat. It is a multiplier. Meg expands on this by exploring the difference between competition and collaboration. Rather than viewing others as threats, she invites listeners to see them as mirrors, mentors, and potential partners. Together, they discuss how comparison and competition often stem from scarcity thinking, while collaboration is rooted in abundance. Jillian shares how this shows up in her own experience, noticing moments where she felt protective over her ideas or voice, especially when seeing others speak on similar topics. Over time, she has learned to interpret that not as a loss of edge, but as validation and alignment. Meg brings the conversation into everyday life, reflecting on comparison in motherhood and social media. She shares how easy it is to feel “less than” when observing others, and how that can be reframed into appreciation rather than self-judgment. Together, they highlight that comparison is often a signal. It points to something within us that we either value, desire, or feel disconnected from. When approached with curiosity instead of judgment, it becomes a pathway for growth. The episode closes with a grounded and practical takeaway. Instead of asking who you are competing with, ask who you could learn from, collaborate with, or simply celebrate. Community is not something that happens automatically. It is something we choose to participate in. What This Episode Explores• Community versus competition in business and life • Letting go of scarcity thinking and embracing abundance •...

036: Your A Team. Life and Business

25 min

Meg and Jillian explore what it means to build an “A team” in both business and life, and how support, structure, and collaboration unlock deeper impact. Meg shares how this topic surfaced through a simple conversation, leading her to reflect on the people she has intentionally brought into her business. From a bookkeeper to a virtual assistant to creative support, each addition allowed her to stay rooted in her zone of genius while trusting others to carry areas outside of it. Jillian reflects on her own experience, noticing that as she leans into trust and alignment, the right people seem to appear at the exact moment she needs them. From technical experts to operational support, she sees her “team” as an extension of her ability to execute at a higher level. The conversation expands into a deeper discussion around structure. Both Meg and Jillian explore how creating systems, processes, and support is not about control, but about creating a container that allows freedom, flow, and creativity. Jillian connects this to a broader belief about business and systems. She challenges the idea that systems should control people, and instead proposes that systems should support humans. This leads into a powerful conversation about redefining work through roles instead of hours, and how misaligned structures can limit both productivity and fulfillment. Meg brings the conversation back to a human level, emphasizing that structure should never become rigid. Instead, it should act as a flexible support system that evolves alongside growth. The episode closes with a reflection on community. Both Meg and Jillian acknowledge that true growth does not happen in isolation. Building an A team is not just about outsourcing tasks, but about participating in collective wisdom, shared support, and rising together. What This Episode Explores• What it means to build an “A team” in life and business • Hiring and outsourcing to stay in your zone of genius • Trusting that the right support ap...

035: Less Goal Oriented. More Practice Oriented.

20 min

Meg opens this conversation by challenging a deeply ingrained cultural norm. What if the problem is not that people lack goals, but that they are too focused on them? Meg and Jillian explore the tension between being goal oriented and being present in the daily practices that actually lead to those goals. Meg reflects on how she approaches her work and life with intuition and aligned steps rather than rigid long term planning. Instead of mapping everything out in advance, she focuses on taking the next few steps with presence and trust. The conversation unpacks how anxiety often appears when people try to control outcomes too far into the future. When the focus shifts back to the present moment and the practices happening right now, clarity and momentum naturally return. Meg shares a simple example from her own life. When she prioritized attending a fitness class instead of overloading her schedule with too many commitments, she reinforced the daily practice that supports her long term health goals. Jillian reflects on how presence changes the way she experiences her day. Small moments like playing a simple card game with her son become powerful anchors that pull her back into the moment when her mind starts racing ahead. Together they explore how society often teaches people to chase outcomes while overlooking the daily actions that actually create them. Whether the goal is a healthy relationship, a thriving business, or personal fulfillment, the path forward is almost always found in the practices of today. Meg closes the episode with a reminder that goals themselves are only guesses. The real work happens in the process. When people begin to love the journey and the practices within it, they often find themselves accomplishing more with less pressure and more joy. What This Episode Explores• Why goals are often guesses about what we think we want • The difference between being goal oriented and practice oriented • Anxiety that appears when people try to plan too...

034: Slowing Down to Care for the Whole Human, for Patients and Practitioners with Kristen Bos

54 min

What if healing isn’t only about fixing what’s broken… but about finally being seen, heard, and supported as a whole human? In this episode, Meg and Jillian sit down with Dr. Kristen Bos, physical therapist and founder of Body Empowered Health & Wellness, to explore what happens when healthcare becomes human again. From leaving the traditional, productivity-driven medical model to building a practice rooted in time, trust, and true listening, Kristen shares what it looks like to treat the whole person not just the symptom. This conversation expands far beyond physical therapy. It’s about autonomy, alignment, nervous system safety, and redefining what care should feel like. What we explore in this episode:Why the traditional healthcare model often fails both patients and providersThe hidden role of the nervous system and emotional experiences in physical painWhat happens when practitioners slow down and actually listenThe difference between productivity-driven care and impact-driven careHow Kristen built her own practice in alignment with her valuesThe importance of patients taking ownership of their health decisionsWhy “you’re not broken enough” is a harmful belief in healthcareThe power of education and understanding your body vs being told what to doCommunity, word-of-mouth, and building trust in a local businessNavigating fear when putting yourself out into the worldPregnancy, birth, and trusting the body’s innate wisdom A few powerful takeaways:Healing requires safety, not just solutionsYour body is not a problem to fix, it’s a system to understandIf something doesn’t feel right in your care, it probably isn’tYou are allowed to seek better, more aligned supportImpact grows when we choose alignment over productivityDoing it scared is still doing it Final reflection:If you’ve ever felt rushed, dismissed, or unseen in your healthcare experience… this episode is a reminder that there is another way. One where you are not just a chart, a number, or a diagnosis but a...

033: Overwhelm as Evidence of Abundance

25 min

Meg introduces a perspective shift she recently explored inside her Bold Beautiful Life community. What if overwhelm is not only a signal of stress, but also evidence of abundance? The conversation begins with acknowledging the real weight many people carry, especially women balancing families, careers, responsibilities, and personal growth. Meg and Jillian discuss how overwhelm is valid while also exploring the possibility that many of the things overwhelming us are connected to blessings we once hoped for. Meg shares a powerful journaling exercise from her community session. Participants wrote down everything that felt overwhelming in their lives. Then they revisited the list and highlighted the items connected to something meaningful or valuable. Nearly every person discovered that most of their overwhelm was attached to something they deeply cared about. Jillian reflects on how this idea shows up in her own life as she prepares to onboard pilot customers for Trellis. She shares what it feels like to push the edges of her thinking while building something complex and meaningful, and how time constraints and competing responsibilities create real tension. The conversation expands into deeper territory around alignment, people pleasing, and learning when it is time to release responsibilities that no longer fit. Jillian recognizes patterns of waiting until things become difficult before making a change, while Meg shares how she evaluates alignment quickly by noticing what fits her values, time, and energy. Together they explore the duality of life. Something can feel heavy and still be meaningful. Overwhelm and gratitude can exist at the same time. The episode closes with Meg offering listeners the same simple journaling practice that sparked the conversation. What This Episode Explores• Overwhelm as a reflection of abundance • The duality of holding gratitude and stress at the same time • A journaling exercise that reframes overwhelm • People pleasing and the diff...

032: Simmering Is the Bridge

16 min

In this raw and unplanned conversation, Jillian shares a massive internal shift. A week of true integration moved her from feeling afraid to share her voice to feeling almost unstoppable in her purpose. She describes shedding the weight of expectations that were never truly hers and stepping into a new kind of weight. One that feels dense, meaningful, and aligned. Meg reflects back what she sees in Jillian. A systems thinker. A global connector. Someone who naturally sees how everything interrelates and impacts the whole. The conversation unfolds into a powerful exploration of messy action versus strategic pause, feminine flow and masculine structure, and the idea that simmering might be the bridge between them. Jillian shares her current season of craving more strategy and support in her business while honoring her natural flow. Together, they unpack what it means to trust the process, delegate wisely, and allow clarity to emerge instead of forcing it. This episode is about integration. It is about trust. It is about carrying the weight that is actually yours. What This Episode Explores• Rest as a prerequisite, not a reward • The difference between carrying expectations and carrying purpose • Systems thinking and seeing how everything connects • Messy action versus strategic pause • Simmering as a creative and strategic bridge • Feminine flow and masculine structure in business • Delegation, trust, and sustainable growth • The ripple effect of aligned leadership Key Takeaways• The weight that is meant for you feels different than the weight placed on you. • Not everything requires immediate action. Some things require simmering. • Trust removes pressure from decision making. • Strategy and flow are not opposites. They can coexist through intentional pause. • Sustainable business growth requires clarity about what to hold and what to release. We Would Love to Connect With You Your reflections, questions, and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episode reso...

031: The Power of Letting Yourself Feel

29 min

This episode explores a redefinition of power. Jillian opens with a statement she has been reflecting on: real power is not control. It is the willingness to feel what is here long enough that it no longer controls you. From there, the conversation unfolds into business, parenting, leadership, marriage, and self regulation. Jillian shares what she has observed in business owners who suppress fear and stress, only to react from dysregulation. Meg reflects on a recent personal moment where pausing allowed her to uncover a deeper wound around safety and being misunderstood. Together they unpack: The difference between control and true powerWhat happens when emotions are stuffed instead of feltThe “power of the pause”How unprocessed emotions affect leadership and familiesSoft power versus aggressive powerThe role of safety in emotional regulationAvoidance, compartmentalization, and productivity as numbing strategiesWhy rest can feel unsafeAcceptance as a bridge emotionMoving from frustration to gratitudeEmotional habits and unconscious reactions They also discuss practical tools including meditation, journaling, the HeartMath device, and Meg’s Self Mastery course as pathways toward awareness, acceptance, and intentional response. A key thread throughout the episode is this: Emotions are not the enemy. Avoidance is. You do not become powerless by feeling. You become free. Key ThemesPower as capacity and presence rather than dominanceEmotional awareness as leadership strengthThe nervous system and biofeedbackAcceptance before empowermentHealing self to heal relationships We Would Love to Connect With You Your reflections, questions, and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episode resonates, please share it, leave a review, or reach out. Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com Connect with Meg Website: www.profoundwellness.net Email: meg@profoundwellness....

030: Journaling as a Living Practice

28 min

Journaling has been referenced in many previous episodes, so Meg and Jill decided to slow down and unpack it. This conversation moves from childhood diaries with tiny locks and keys to the deeper truth of what journaling can uncover. Meg shares how she journaled in prayer form as a teenager and how looking back at those notebooks now feels like opening a time capsule. She reflects on manifestation, gratitude, and the Power Nine practice she uses with clients. Jillian shares that she did not feel safe with her own thoughts growing up. She did not believe she was allowed to have individual opinions. Journaling became part of her growth journey and a way to discover who she actually is. Together they explore: Why perfectionism keeps people from startingMorning Pages from The Artist’s WayClearing mental fog by “clearing the sludge”The difference between writing and typingJournaling as a somatic practice that connects mind, body, and spiritUsing prompts and shadow work to uncover subconscious beliefsAttaching journaling to a deeper why They emphasize that journaling is not about performance or productivity. It is about expression. It is about release. It is about clarity. For anyone who feels intimidated, they offer a simple starting point: try it messy. Try it imperfect. Try it for three days and notice what shifts. Key TakeawaysJournaling is about release, not performance.You do not have to keep what you write.Writing physically engages the mind, body, and spirit.Clear the sludge first, then clarity follows.Perfectionism is the biggest barrier.Your journaling practice can evolve over time.Attach your practice to a meaningful why. Resources: Power 9 Journaling PracticeList 3 things you’re grateful forList 3 things you’re excited forList 3 things you’re manifestingThe Artist Way by Julia Cameronhttps://a.co/d/0f7dT4OwThe Shadow Work Journalhttps://a.co/d/0iJvUsfa We Would Love to Connect With You Your reflections, questions, and lived experiences mean so much to us. If t...

029: Going First. Making Mistakes. Using Art as Advocacy for Disability, Dignity, and Inclusion with Hopelynd

43 min

Please follow us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill are joined by their first-ever guests, Kellie Hetler and Kara Hanes, founders of Hopelynd, a nonprofit rooted in disability advocacy through art and photography. What unfolds is not a conversation about charity or inspiration, but about dignity, presence, and what it means to use your gifts in service of others. Kellie and Kara share the deeply personal origins of Hopelynd, born from their lived experiences as mothers and artists, and their vision to create spaces, systems, and education that make true inclusion possible. Together, they explore how fear of doing it “wrong” often keeps people from connection, and how willingness, humility, and repair matter more than perfect language. This episode is an invitation to rethink accessibility, visibility, and belonging, and to consider how ripple-effect change begins when someone is willing to go first, even while still learning. We explore: • Creativity as an act of service rather than transaction • What disability inclusion actually looks like in practice, not theory • Why fear of making mistakes often causes more harm than mistakes themselves • The importance of accessible, sensory-aware spaces • How children model inclusion when adults allow curiosity instead of silence • Language, intention, and the permission to learn in real time • Building something meant to outlive its founders • The quiet courage required to advocate publicly before you feel “ready” About our guests: Kellie Hetler and Kara Hanes are internationally traveling photographers and the founders of Hopelynd, a nonprofit organization advocating for disability inclusion through art, photography, education, and community spaces. Their work centers dignity, accessibility, and creating environments where all people are seen, valued, and welcomed. Upcoming Event: Hopelynd’s Intrinsic Art Show 📅 March 27 📍 Venue3Two, Grand Rapids An inclusive art and community...

028: Belonging vs Fitting In and the Cost of Editing Yourself

27 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Jillian and Meg explore the subtle and often invisible ways we edit ourselves to feel safe, accepted, or seen, and the emotional, relational, and energetic cost of doing so. What begins as Jillian sharing a deeply personal realization unfolds into a conversation about belonging versus fitting in, nervous system safety, code switching, and how our earliest experiences shape the way we show up in the world. Together, they reflect on childhood conditioning, family dynamics, politics, and leadership, and how learning to belong to yourself changes everything. This episode invites listeners to consider where they may be compromising who they are, not because the world asked them to, but because it once felt safer to do so. We explore: • What we compromise in ourselves to feel safe being seen • The difference between fitting in and true belonging • How code switching signals nervous system unsafety • Why belonging starts with self exploration and self trust • Parenting, modeling authenticity, and nervous system safety in children • Why bridging divides often requires standing alone • How love and self belonging create steadiness in a divided world Journaling prompts from this episode: • Who am I, really? • Do I love myself as I am today? • Where do I feel safest being fully me? • Where might I gently stretch my sense of safety without true risk? Brene Brown Quotes: On Fitting In vs. Belonging: "Fitting in is one of the greatest barriers to belonging. Fitting in is about assessing a situation and becoming who you need to be in order to be accepted. Belonging, on the other hand, doesn't require us to change who we are; it requires us to be who we are".The Core Definition: "True belonging is the spiritual practice of believing in and belonging to yourself so deeply that you can share your most authentic self with the world and find sacredness in both being a part of something and standing a...

027: Humanity Is Not a Liability. It Is Infrastructure.

21 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill explore what it truly means to be human in a rapidly accelerating, tech driven world, and why love, connection, meaningful work, and purpose are not optional extras, but the foundation of mental wellbeing and sustainable systems. What begins as a conversation about AI and optimization unfolds into a deeper reflection on how humanity is often treated as inefficiency rather than infrastructure. They challenge the idea that technology should dictate our lives, and instead invite a vision where technology supports human rhythms, values, and connection. Through examples from leadership, parenting, entrepreneurship, and organizational design, this episode examines how work without meaning and connection without depth erodes wellbeing, and how intentional systems can restore dignity, agency, and belonging. We explore: • Why humanity is infrastructure, not a liability • How optimization without meaning leads to burnout and disconnection • The difference between working for technology and technology working for us • Why filling time is not the same as purposeful work • Hiring for roles instead of hours • How clarity creates freedom and work life balance • The loss of meaning in modern job structures • Why purpose and connection are foundational to mental wellbeing • How AI and technology can either support or erode humanity • The responsibility of organizations to create meaningful environments • Why job hopping reflects systemic failure, not personal flaw • Language, hierarchy, and why “employee” no longer fits • Rehumanizing work through contribution, belonging, and clarity • Parenting, technology boundaries, and protecting connection • How intentionality safeguards humanity in a digital world This episode is reflective, expansive, and grounding. It is especially resonant for leaders, parents, founders, and anyone questioning how to live, work, and build in a world increasingly...

026: Goal Setting That Actually Sticks.

29 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: http://instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill explore goal setting through a grounded, human lens, focusing on the science behind sustainable change rather than short lived motivation or perfection driven resolutions. What begins as a conversation about New Year’s goals unfolds into a deeper discussion about intention versus resolution, habit formation, nervous system safety, and why so many goals fail despite good intentions. They unpack how pressure, rigidity, and unrealistic expectations sabotage change, and what actually helps habits stick long term. Drawing from behavioral science, lived experience, and practical examples, this episode offers a compassionate and realistic approach to creating meaningful change that supports real life rather than fights it. We explore: • The difference between resolutions and intentions • Why intentions create direction without perfection • How self honesty is essential for sustainable change • Why goals must be enjoyable to be maintained • Making habits easy, visible, and realistic • The role of identity and alignment in goal setting • Why trial periods are more effective than long term commitments • How habit stacking increases follow through • Why reminders need to include the “why,” not just the task • Closing loops to reduce mental load • How compassion accelerates growth • Adjusting goals without self judgment • Creating systems that work with your nervous system • Why sustainable change is about consistency, not intensity This episode is encouraging, practical, and deeply supportive for anyone who feels frustrated by goal setting, stuck in cycles of starting and stopping, or ready to create real change without burning out. Powerful Quotes from This Episode “An intention is a posture, not a rule.” “Perfection is not sustainable. Alignment is.” “If it is not enjoyable, you will not keep doing it.” “Being honest with yourself is not limiting. It is liberating.” “Make...

025: Ego Is Not the Enemy. Letting Ego Lead Is.

16 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill unpack one of the most misunderstood concepts in leadership and personal growth: ego. Rather than treating ego as something to eliminate or shame, they explore ego as a natural part of being human. The real issue is not having an ego, but letting it lead unconsciously. Through grounded examples from leadership, corporate culture, family life, and identity, they show how unchecked ego quietly erodes trust, safety, and connection. The conversation moves from theory into lived experience, highlighting how ego often shows up as defensiveness, image protection, narrative control, and fear of not being enough. Instead of judging these patterns, Meg and Jill invite curiosity, compassion, and responsibility as the path forward. We explore: • Why ego itself is not bad or wrong • Ego as a protective function rooted in safety and identity • The difference between having an ego and being led by it • How ego shows up in leadership as optics, control, and narrative management • Why ego driven leadership destroys trust and psychological safety • The role of unconscious fear and not enoughness • Ego as a signal rather than a driver • Awareness and curiosity as the turning point • How ego fueled decisions fracture relationships and culture • Why truth builds more trust than image management • Compassion without excusing harmful behavior • Calling leaders forward without shame • How ego impacts families, teams, and organizations • Choosing aligned action instead of default reactions This episode is reflective, honest, and deeply human. It is especially supportive for leaders, founders, and individuals who want to take responsibility for their impact without turning self awareness into self attack. Powerful Quotes from This Episode “Ego is not the enemy. Letting ego lead is.” “Every human has an ego. Awareness is the difference.” “When ego leads, image matters more than truth.” “Unchecked...

024: Nervous Systems, Leadership, and the Cost of Micromanagement

23 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill explore the often overlooked root of micromanagement, not as a leadership flaw, but as a nervous system response. What begins as a conversation about micromanagement in organizations expands into a deeper discussion about regulation, anxiety transmission, trust, and how a leader’s internal state directly shapes culture, performance, and psychological safety. They unpack why pressure, manufactured urgency, and control are often attempts to self regulate, and how those behaviors unintentionally create fear, disengagement, and reduced effectiveness in teams. Rather than shaming leaders, this episode invites awareness, responsibility, and compassionate self inquiry. We explore: • Why micromanagement is a symptom of a dysregulated leader • How a leader’s nervous system state transfers to their team • The difference between regulation and control • Why anxiety reduces creativity and performance • How manufactured urgency creates counterproductive cultures • Culture as regulation, not values statements • Why values without nervous system alignment fail to land • Awareness, non judgment, and responsibility as the path forward • How leaders can model regulation instead of perfection • The role of transparency and honest communication • Agreements as a foundation for psychological safety • Assuming positive intent as a • Why autonomy and trust outperform micromanagement • Hiring for roles instead of hours • How operational clarity creates freedom and accountability This episode is reflective, honest, and deeply relevant for leaders, founders, managers, and parents who want to lead with trust, calm, and integrity without sacrificing results. Powerful Quotes from This Episode “Micromanagement is not the problem. It is the symptom.” “Your nervous system teaches people how to feel around you.” “Values do not set Culture. Regulation does.” “Pressure does not improve performance. Safety...

023: Time Blocking as a Budget for Your Energy

21 min

Please Follow Us on Instagram: instagram.com/rootedandrehumanizing In this episode, Meg and Jill explore ideal week schedules and time blocking, not as rigid productivity control, but as a way to preserve energy, reduce mental load, and create freedom in both work and life. What begins as a practical conversation about scheduling unfolds into a deeper discussion about nervous system regulation, presence, creative flow, and the invisible weight of unclosed mental loops. They challenge the idea that structure limits creativity and instead offer structure as an act of self care and future self support. Using the metaphor of budgeting, they explain how intentionally assigning time creates clarity, energetic boundaries, and space to actually live your life, rather than constantly reacting to it. We explore: • Time blocking as an energy budget rather than a productivity hack • Why resistance to structure is often fear of losing autonomy • How unclosed loops create somatic heaviness and burnout • The importance of buffer time to synthesize and complete work • Why back to back meetings drain more than we realize • How structure can actually increase creativity and freedom • The concept of designing an ideal week instead of chasing perfection • Prioritizing non negotiables like rest, movement, and family time • How energetic boundaries help separate work and personal roles • Capturing creative ideas without letting them derail focus • Why your previous self supporting your future self changes everything • How intentional scheduling restores presence and reduces anxiety This episode is grounding, practical, and especially supportive for entrepreneurs, creatives, leaders, and parents who feel overwhelmed, scattered, or run by their calendars instead of supported by them. Powerful Quotes from This Episode “Structure is not about control. It is about conserving energy.” “Your previous self is giving your future self a gift.” “When you do not close the loop, your body carries the...

022: Why Empathy Drains & Compassion Sustains

14 min

In this episode, Meg and Jill explore the crucial distinction between empathy and compassion, especially in leadership and workplace dynamics. What many consider a strength can quietly lead to burnout, resentment, and disempowerment when left unchecked. They unpack how empathy saturates the nervous system, while compassion creates clarity, boundaries, and true support. This conversation is especially relevant for leaders, managers, caregivers, and recovering people-pleasers. They explore: • Why empathy and compassion are not interchangeable • How empathy leads to emotional saturation • Compassion as care without carrying • The difference between caregiving and caretaking • How empathy can unintentionally disempower others • Compassion as an empowerment tool • Supporting employees without absorbing their struggles • Asking better questions instead of making assumptions • Leadership through belief and trust • When empathy is appropriate and when it is not • The tarp versus sponge metaphor • Nervous system protection for leaders • Sustainable emotional presence at work This episode is practical, timely, and deeply supportive for anyone building teams or holding emotional space for others. Powerful Quotes from This Episode“Empathy is feeling with someone. Compassion is caring for them.” “When you take it all on, you leave nothing for yourself.” “Caretaking disempowers. Caregiving supports.” “You can hold space without carrying weight.” “Ask what they need instead of assuming.” “Be a tarp, not a sponge.” “Compassion protects everyone involved.” We Would Love to Connect With YouYour reflections and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episode resonates, please share it, leave a review, or reach out. Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite.com Connect with Meg Website: www.profoundwellness.net Email: meg@profoundwellness.net Facebook: facebook.com/megan.fikse...

021: Fear-Based Productivity vs. Flow-Based Productivity

27 min

In this episode, Meg and Jill unpack two very different engines that drive productivity: fear and flow. While both can produce results, only one creates sustainability, fulfillment, and peace. They reflect on hustle culture, nervous system conditioning, and the hidden cost of fear based success. Through personal stories, coaching insights, and real world business examples, they explore how productivity shifts when trust replaces urgency. They explore: • The difference between fear driven productivity and flow based productivity • How hustle culture conditions the nervous system • Physical symptoms of fear based work • Why fear fueled success never feels like arrival • Awareness as the first step to change • The role of self judgment in keeping fear alive • Non judgment as a bridge to empowerment • Why conditional happiness never works • Flow as a spiritual and creative experience • How flow multiplies output with less effort • Recognizing personal flow patterns • Rituals that reliably activate flow • Why presence with family fuels creativity • How to build sustainable productivity practices • Letting go of guilt around ease This episode is clarifying and expansive. It is especially powerful for founders, leaders, creatives, and anyone questioning hustle as the price of success. Powerful Quotes from This Episode“Fear can get you there, but you will still be living in fear once you arrive.” “Self judgment is fear in disguise.” “When I slowed down, everything started working better.” “Flow feels like magic because you are aligned.” “You do not arrive at peace by delaying it.” “The journey can be what you are chasing.” “Flow is available more often than we think.” We Would Love to Connect With YouYour reflections and lived experiences mean so much to us. If this episode resonates, please share it, leave a review, or reach out. Connect with Jillian Website: https://trellissuite.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillian-pezet-trellis/ Email: jillianp@trellissuite...

EP 20: Declutter Your Mind, Transform Your Life

19 min

In this episode, Meg and Jill explore the powerful connection between physical clutter and mental noise. What begins as a conversation about cleaning and household systems unfolds into a deeper discussion about nervous system regulation, coherence, conscious choice, and how we reclaim our energy. They reflect on how clutter impacts stress, family dynamics, productivity, and emotional wellbeing. The episode introduces the idea that while physical decluttering is helpful, true peace comes from learning how to declutter the mind regardless of the environment. They explore: • How physical clutter directly impacts mental and emotional regulation • Why systems and habits in the home matter more than perfection • The difference between control and structure • How resentment builds when responsibility is unevenly carried • The concept of being the default person in a household • Why shared responsibility builds connection and frees up time • How clutter creates invisible cognitive load • HeartMath technology and the concept of coherence • Restorative emotions versus depleting emotions • How thoughts directly impact heart rhythm and nervous system state • Why frustration keeps us stuck in depletion • Conscious choice as the gateway to peace • How to shift from reaction to agency • Gratitude as a physiological reset • Why you do not need external change to reclaim inner calm This episode is grounding, reflective, and deeply practical. It is especially supportive if you feel overwhelmed, overstimulated, or stuck in cycles of frustration at home or work. Powerful Quotes from This Episode“Anything they do not do falls on me, and that weight adds up.” “Physical noise becomes mental noise faster than we realize.” “Crap on the counter is not a lion, even though our body reacts like it is.” “Restorative emotions change your physiology in real time.” “You always have a choice, even when you are frustrated.” “Frustration is information, not a place to live.” “You do not need anyone el...

019: Romanizing Life & Business: Conscious Choice as a Daily Practice

28 min

In this episode, Meg and Jill get real about what it means to work in environments that are not fully aligned with your values, your energy, or your long-term direction. Not every workplace is conscious, healthy, or growth oriented. You still get to show up consciously, protect your inner peace, and make empowered decisions about whether to stay or leave. They explore: • Severing the identity string between who you are and how others treat you at work • Seeing other people’s reactions as a reflection of them, not you • How to maintain inner peace even when the environment feels chaotic • How to offer compassion without abandoning yourself • When mismatches are workable and when it is time for a hard no • How to set loving and firm boundaries that stop cycles of disrespect • The moment Meg confronted a charge nurse and how it instantly shifted the dynamic • Why complaining to coworkers harms you and the culture • What it means to stop perpetuating dysfunction • Journaling, clarity exercises, and reflection practices to help you decide what is next • The difference between misalignment and abuse • How to evaluate whether you are meant to stay, reposition, or leave entirely • The quiet heartbreak of pouring your genius into someone else’s vision • Signs that it may be time to explore your purpose, your path, and your own expression of work This episode is grounding, practical, and clarifying. It is especially helpful if you are in the gray zone of asking yourself whether to stay or go. Powerful Quotes from This Episode“I am safe everywhere I go. When you believe that, you get to act from integrity instead of fear.” “Other people’s reactions are about their nervous system, not your worth.” “If you do not speak up, you are unintentionally keeping the unhealthy dynamic alive.” “Compassion does not require you to carry someone else’s emotional load.” “Misalignment does not mean someone is wrong. It may just mean it is not your environment anymore.” “When you stay in a plac...

018: When to Stay and When to Go

28 min

In this honest and validating episode, Jillian and Meg explore what it means to work inside systems that are not always well, conscious, or emotionally healthy. Not every workplace is built with emotional intelligence, self-awareness, or supportive leadership, yet many people still find themselves needing to show up, perform, and stay grounded. This conversation is a guide for navigating those environments without losing yourself. Jill and Meg unpack how to maintain integrity, energy, and boundaries, while also discerning when a job can be navigated with rooted professionalism and when it might truly be time to go. What We Explore:The Myth of the Perfect WorkplaceWhy the fantasy of a fully aligned, fully conscious workplace often sets us up for disappointmentHow to differentiate between normal workplace challenges and truly unhealthy environmentsThe grounding truth from Gallup: only 23 percent of employees worldwide feel meaningfully engaged Disengagement vs Energetic ProtectionHow to tell when you’re checked out versus wisely protecting your nervous systemWhy your energy naturally adapts in environments that lack emotional intelligenceWhy disengagement is often a sign of deeper wisdom, not apathy Emotional Contagion at WorkResearch showing that mood spreads quickly through teamsHow one person’s unmanaged stress or hostility affects an entire environmentWhy boundaries and emotional awareness are essential for protecting your own experience Burnout as a Systemic Issue The World Health Organization defines burnout as a workplace problem, not a personal flawWhy you can be doing your absolute best in a broken system and still feel depletedJill shares how operational load affects human behavior and why Trellis exists to relieve that burden Rooted ProfessionalismPracticing “detached concern”: caring deeply without self-abandonmentResearch from healthcare and caregiving showing lower burnout when professionals have healthy emotional boundariesMeg’s insights on holding empa...

017: The Sacred Pause — Finding Meaning in the Mundane

23 min

In this reflective and grounding episode, Jillian and Meg explore the quiet spaces in life — the waiting, the boredom, the in-between moments that most of us rush past. From long afternoons at kids’ sporting events to everyday pauses that feel unproductive, they reframe these “empty” moments as invitations to presence, creativity, and deeper connection. This conversation is an anchor for anyone feeling overstimulated or constantly in motion. Instead of dismissing downtime as inconvenient or boring, Meg and Jill show how these pauses can become sacred places of renewal, imagination, and emotional regulation. What We Explore The Psychology of Boredom Why our brains crave stimulation and struggle with quietHow boredom activates the brain’s default mode network, which fuels creativity, idea generation, and deeper reflectionThe surprising study: people who completed a boring task became more creative afterward Stillness as a Path to Creativity How “dead time” can become “depth time”Why letting yourself be bored is one of the most powerful things you can do for your imaginationHow Meg encourages her kids with “Being bored is good for you — go get creative” Honoring Our Nervous Systems Our bodies were not designed for constant inputHow overstimulation keeps us in low-level stressWhy slow, unfilled moments allow the parasympathetic nervous system to support healing, digestion, and emotional balance Attention Restoration Theory How low-demand environments like nature or repetitive tasks restore cognitive bandwidthWhy your brain “comes back online” when you stop trying to be productive Boredom as a Mirror Kierkegaard’s belief that boredom exposes the parts of ourselves we avoidHow quiet moments bring up emotions, unmet needs, and inner truthsJill’s question for listeners: Are you comfortable with yourself in the quiet? What does it reveal? Connection Through Slowness How shared downtime increases belongingThe subtle intimacy of sitting, waiting, observing, and being present w...

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